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26-05-2010 19:32
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| quote: | Originally posted by tatsunokofan
The first TV series, Space Pirate Captain Harlock, was mutilated by Carl Macek and squished together with Matsumoto's Queen Millennium in order to make Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years. |
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Hey! What's with the bashing of the late, great Carl Macek? If it wasn't for him and Robotech, anime wouldn't have gotten as big as it has in the United States. Sure, Astro Boy, Speed Racer, BOTP and Voltron might have got the ball rolling, but it was Robotech that took it all the way, and Carl Macek is a legend who doesn't deserve that kind of disrespect. On a side note, while I'm on the subject of Carl Macek, I've been seeing people who are acting like Macek's death is a blessing, and I even recall one person on somebody's blog saying he was celebrating Macek's death, and people like that infuriate me. Most of these people are Macross purists, and I hate these SOB's who are just like "Uh! He ruined Macross! He ruined this, he ruined that, blah blah blah blah." I can't stand it. I have no sympathy for those goddamn Macross purists. And IMO, Rick Hunter can kick Hikaru Ichijo's ass.
Oh yeah, and Carl Macek is also responsible for bringing the anime version of The Dirty Pair to the United States for the first time ever via his dubs of Affair on Nolandia, Project Eden and Flight 005 Conspiracy.
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Hey, Allen, calm down babe!! Carl Macek and Harmony Gold did do a lot to bring Anime to the world.
What James was imply (to my reading) is that he did something that was unnecessary in that he took 2 good Anime shows, and for some reason known only to himself, decided to try to mash them together to make a third.
The problem was that in the 80's when "Japanimation" (yup - I can remember when it was called that!) took off around the world, the studios still couldn't get their heads around the fact that in Japan, anime was not just for children - in fact much of it was aimed at an adult audience.
So we get the phenomena of them deciding to do heavy editing of "adult" scenes and situations and, instead of going the Sandy Frank version of re-writing and re-animating filler stuff, they would try to mesh together different shows.
This is really doing a disservice to both shows, when you think about it.
I remember seeing Captain Harlock on television (even though I was adult by that time - still loved anime - what I saw was called "Captain Harlock and the Priates of the Future") and then seeing bootleg grainy video tapes at the Brissy anime club meetings and all of us realising what had happened.
I'm far from being a hardline anime purist - but there is that in me that says if it was good enough for you to want to bring to the world, then why go and make it virtually unrecognisable from the original.
Carl Macek did do good work and was responisble for a lot of the popularity of anime - but he did make decisions that, looking back (and you can say the same for Sandy Frank and BotP), were bad ones.
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Hi all!
| quote: | | Hey! What's with the bashing of the late, great Carl Macek? |
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First, lighten up.
Second, I don't hate Carl Macek. Heck, I've known Carl for decades. I first met him when he was a dealer at Comic Con, selling cels from Heavy Metal through his art gallery, and saw him a number of times after that. I won't say we were friends, but we were friendly enough to be on a first name basis. So, while you may think of him in the abstract as "Uncle Carl," to me he was just "Carl," a flesh and blood human being. I may not have always agreed with what he did, but that doesn't mean that I hate him.
While he may have been a God to you, to me, he was just a man. He didn't walk on water, he didn't turn water into wine, and everything he touched didn't turn into gold. He may have done a lot of things that were well done, were very popular, and helped to generate interest in anime across North America, but those successes were tempered by failures. Captain Harlock and the Queen of a Thousand Years was one of those failures.
Seriously, have you ever seen the series? It was awful. It's what happens when you take two series whose only connection to each other are that they were created by the same artist, shove them into a blender, and hit puree. The jumbled mess ran 65 episodes and rightfully died the ignominious death it deserved. I never spoke with Carl about it, but I suspect that even he would have prefered that we forget about it.
I'm sorry if you're offended by someone pointing out that your hero wasn't flawless. Pointing out one of his missteps doesn't take away from the positive things he did, but ignoring those missteps in order to only heap praise on him isn't right either.
James
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27-05-2010 18:05
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You were rather upset.
I never saw Macross, so I won't weigh in. My anime memories are 8th Man, Astro Boy, Speed Racer, Kimba the White Lion, Battle of the Planets, Starblazers, and some shows whose titles I can't remember that aired Saturday morning. And Voltron.
Then a dry spell, and I checked out some stuff on Cartoon Network. Can't remember which one, but I remember holding off on Fullmetal Alchemist for a while. Cowboy Bebop, Trinity Blood, Paranoia Agent, Neon Genesis Evangelion, The Big O, Wolf's Rain, Eureka 7, Samurai Champloo. (And Vampire Hunter D, Devilman, and Demon Hunter Yohko on videotape.)
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