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I'm seeing a *bit* of sense in *some* of the delays now. Having a Canadian team go in and take out Canadians would cause the rest to cry "preferential treatment". And seeing how bad some of the evacuation centres were, I can't see anyone saying, "I'm fine, help the ones who need it." No one in those centres was fine. Now, if they'd let folks in to help, they'd have gotten people out before things got so bad. Or what about telling the Canadian team to do the search and rescue, or do infrastructure or deliveries -- keep them away from situations where they might rescue Canadians preferentially.

Note: Not that there weren't other countries ready to help out quickly, but I watch the local station.

Good to see that the media is being recruited. I know a lot of them were feeling helpless.

When they do evacuations like of that hotel, they could do a better job of the PR. Move the people to a different hotel. Fill the buses half tourists, half people in greater need. Tell the people in need to line up at the hotel (those that can walk). Tell the media FAST why they're getting the tourists out.

Right now, a bit of time spent on PR would be useful. Raised tempers get in the way of rational thought.

Not saying the tempers aren't justified, but a bit of advance thought of the PR kind would help. Like the big blackout a few summers ago; yes, some blocks got power days before others. Hospital, radio station, and the central command post for the emergency services. Instead of being angry and confused that we were last on the list, we were impressed that they were so well organized.

I hear you about the rich black people.

I hear universities helping the students from the disaster area by going easy on tuition and such. Yes, it helps some -- those who don't need to earn money for their family or look after others who no longer have the infrastructure they relied on. It's a good gesture, but I hope they continue the gesture for the next few years, when those students will have the time to go, and the high school students of today who won't be able find jobs to earn tuition.

Kudos to the teenagers who are starting a drive to get kids backpacks and school supplies!

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Originally posted by Elvin Ruler
And here I thought that "Natural Disaster" meant "No One Person's Fault." If only people would realize that if they put half the energy into working through this as they do pointing fingers, they might not have to point fingers at all.

Oh well.



Well Said!!

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This seems like a good place to put this. I am trying to develop some ideas for an essay I need to write for grad class and I am entertaining some views.
The question we need to answer is "Is there a place for the poor?" (The prof. felt it was timely with Katrina)
Also I am trying to find out (not start anything), were there buses going around to pick up people before Katrina hit?
Thanks for letting me pick your brains on this. Katse and Tajiri, I expect to hear something interesting from you two. Big Grin

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As far as I know, no buses were going around before Katrina hit. People were asked to evacuate. Those who couldn't leave were to go to the Superdome. I don't think anyone really expected the levees to break. They expected the city to flood, because it's below sea-level. But no one was prepared for it to be as bad as it was.

This does show some obvious problems concerning the poor. Obviously, they would be the ones who couldn't leave. They would also be assumed to be the ones taking the most damage (physically, at least - because sure, monetarially the rich are going to win the "look how much I lost" fight. They're rich.). If New Orleans is ANYTHING like Texas, the poor housing of a town near water is in the flood zone. Since, monetarially, the state won't have to pay as much to rebuild the housing there, that's where the poor housing goes. (Ignoring the rich idiots who put their 2 billion dollar houses in the middle of a ravine with only a couple of feet of concrete blocking millions of gallons of water from said house.)

But as far as I know, no buses before Katrina hit. There are some people who say that the mayor refused it (being unnecessary) and there were others who say it was refused by different people (Bush, various officials, etc). I've been trying to track it down via CNN.com's search feature, but I'm having to go waaaaaaaaaaaay back in the logs. Of course, anything anyone might have said that might get fingers pointed at them has now been retracted, negated, erased from the memories via jedi mind tricks, etc. When chaos is involved, facts are easily obscured, and I believe it's safe to say that ALL sides are wanting to be the "good guys who saw it coming." Hindsight and all that, it's easy to point out where people went wrong.

For information, what I would do is look at various news sources. Look waaaaaay back in the archives of them, when Katrina was first predicted to hit Louisiana. I'm interested in how many officials' responses beforehand contradict with what they say they said in later articles.

As for their being a place for the poor, I'd look up various newspaper articles from Waco, San Antonio, Houston for responses to the refugees. I've seen them range from wishing there was more they could to to help to wishing that the refugees had never come (including worries about people *gasp* staying in the city, and taking jobs, and rebuilding their lives) and wondering why they had to come to *insert town name here*.

This situation is allowing people to show their true colors. Some of them have hearts of gold. Too many of them don't have hearts at all.

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This situation is allowing people to show their true colors. Some of them have hearts of gold. Too many of them don't have hearts at all.


So very true Chica! Pretty much sums it up, no matter what century, country, or people.

Heard this the other day.... The donations to the American Red Cross for Katerina victems has officially exceeded all previous records in the entire history of the Red Cross. How's that for hearts of gold?

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Or people recognising a Tax Deductable oppotunity when they see it.

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*knock knock*

Who's there?

Federal.

Federal who?

Federal Aid.

...I don't get it.

Nor did millions of others.

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Ouch!

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Very funny.

I have a friend who managed to evacuate (with cat, which is more than could be said for many)

She is now staying with her Mother in Arkansas; she has lost everything except a few clothes.

If it wouldnt be too presumptutive, I could post her paypal address, so if you have a dollar (or any other currency) to spare, you can give it straight to her.

She likes cats, art and Games workshop products.

(I have sent her some art materials)

Shall I?

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Don't diss tax deductable. I consider it making the government give to the causes I do. As in, by the time you get your refund, you've given $83 and the govt has given $17.

Now, I wonder if TPTB will compare the cost of maintaining the levies (which they had accepted responsibilty for by building them and allowing people to assume they were being maintained) to the cost of rebuilding? And the cost of running a proper FEMA in case the levies did fail?

Nah, they'll probably be all gushie about the fact that they're giving humanitarian aide. Personally, I'd have prefered them to do it properly in the first place.

Ronin, if your friend starts getting anonymous money in her paypal account, she's going to wonder what's going on. Also, I'm donating to the people who have lost everything, who don't have friends who can send her art materials and such. (I'm not knocking art materials -- dignity and distraction are important.) So, if you do post it and don't get a lot of activity, don't take it as lack of caring.

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Oh, she doesnt mind that.

It will get the aid where its needed, and as a friend I can vouch that she will spend it on neccesities, like catfood.

(not that to my mind that is a neccesity, can owners may disagree)

and then theres headlines like THIS

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19 September 2005
EXCLUSIVE: UP IN FLAMES
Tons of British aid donated to help Hurricane Katrina victims to be BURNED by Americans
From Ryan Parry, US Correspondent in New York
HUNDREDS of tons of British food aid shipped to America for starving Hurricane Katrina survivors is to be burned.

US red tape is stopping it from reaching hungry evacuees.

Instead tons of the badly needed Nato ration packs, the same as those eaten by British troops in Iraq, has been condemned as unfit for human consumption.

This is a story in todays Daily Mirror.

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Sorry it took a while to post this but Nikki, Lisya and Miya are all ok. Hopefully Rita wont hit them

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Hello Rita.

It looks like I'll just get a glancing blow, assuming it goes as far east as it's predicted to.

Hope it doesn't hit Louisiana though. I REALLY hope it doesn't hit Louisiana.

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What appalling runs of weather you're getting over there at the moment....

Pics of the evacuations look like some people aren't going to get out in time. Those are mighty traffic jams.

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100 miles of bumper to bumper. San Antonio and Austin sent trucks to the roads to give stranded people gas. People are pushing their cars/trucks/whatever to save gas, and some of them are moving faster than the vehicles that are being driven.

Friend of my sister's is stuck in it somewhere between Houston and Dallas. Not sure where. He left Houston at 3 this morning. It's almost 6, and he hasn't made it in yet.

The worst part, though, is waiting to see where it will actually go. I HATE waiting. Watching a crisis in slow motion is not my favorite past time.

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No freaking kidding!

Ugh! You guys hang in there Elvie!

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Looks like it's pretty much going to miss my place now. Might rain and be a little windy. We're a center for the refugees from Houston/Corpus/Galveston now. I'm not sure how many are here, but many of the churches are full, and the student gym is packed.

My sister's friend made it to his folk's home at 4 in the morning. 135 miles in 25 hours. They're still in the path a bit, but I think he'll probably sleep through it.

Still watching and waiting. At this point, they know where it'll hit land. It's just kind of questionable as to what it will do after that. It will either:

A. Follow the NHC path predicted
B. Follow the path, hit the front, and stall out
C. Follow the path, hit the front, and turn around and go to Mexico
D. Push the pressure system out and move west instead of north

Fortunately, it's been downgraded to a category 3 now, so once it hits land, it *will* weaken considerably.

There are still people evacuating. One tragedy that has already occured is that a bus full of evacuees literally exploded. None survived.

Other than that, we're all just waiting. At least the most dangerous zones have been evacuated. I'm glad that people are taking this seriously. We'd grown a bit complacent concerning hurricanes until Katrina. Hard, terrible lesson to learn, there.

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I see you were on line this morning, Elvin, so I'm assuming you personally came through it okay. Hope things went as well for others!

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Didn't even sprinkle here. One could say that the wind picked up a bit, so yes. Sorry. *is sheepish*

Everyone I know has checked in. Some lost power for a while, but it was quickly restored. They're saying that people can return to the various areas, but they're asking people to do it slowly, so as to avoid the traffic jams of the evacuation. Those in Port Arthur having troubles are in the minority. Most people heeded the mandatory evacuation, and with the government providing as much gasoline as possible to evacuees with vehicles and providing buses for those without vehicles, there isn't much I can say about those who decided to stay. EVERYONE is having a gas shortage because it was used for the evacuation. Now that the power and water are gone (there are complaints that it's taking to long to come back up), they're impatient. That's the risk of deciding to stay. Everyone had plenty of warning and opportunity this time. That may sound callous, but there it is.

Anyways, I'm safe, my family's safe, and my friends are safe.

Sorry again for the lack of an update.

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