Bush's Patriot Act Unconstitutional

We don't really have a "Politics/Current Events/Etc" section of the board, so I'm not sure where I'd want to post this. So, I'll post it here as it seems to make the most sense. I'll even legitimize it by asking "What do YA'LL think of this?"

Myself, the Patriot Act raised my radar and my hackles from day one. So...Yaaaay! Lets hear it for the Judicial System!

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Judge Rules Against Patriot Act Provision

28 minutes ago

Top Stories - Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Part of the Patriot Act, a central plank of the Bush Administration's war on terror, was ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge on Wednesday.



U.S. District Judge Victor Marreo ruled in favor of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), which challenged the power the FBI (news - web sites) has to demand confidential financial records from companies as part of terrorism investigations.

The ruling was the latest blow to the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies.

In June, the U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) ruled that terror suspects being held in places like Guantanamo Bay can use the American judicial system to challenge their confinement. That ruling was a defeat for the president's assertion of sweeping powers to hold "enemy combatants" indefinitely after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The ACLU sued the Department of Justice (news - web sites), arguing that part of the Patriot legislation violated the constitution because it authorizes the FBI to force disclosure of sensitive information without adequate safeguards.

The judge agreed, stating that the provision "effectively bars or substantially deters any judicial challenge."

Under the provision, the FBI did not have to show a judge a compelling need for the records and it did not have to specify any process that would allow a recipient to fight the demand for confidential information.

Source: Yahoo! News Story: Judge Rules Against Patriot Act Provision

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"Spider sense....tingling."

The Magna Carta was basically the "Rules of the Land" in fact I think thats its direct translation.

As for the worms thing you lost me utterly

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I've heard references to it, not sure though as to what Diet of Worms is. I *think* it's a book...

Personally, I don't like the Patriot Act (and this is coming from a conservative! ). It reminds me too much of the Cold War and what the US did to the Japanese during WWII.

I'm sure some of those at Guantanamo Bay would, if put through the justice system, be found guilty. I'm sure a lot would. But who are we to spout off on freedoms and rights if we adjust those freedoms and rights to apply only to those we want it to?

Just seems a little wrong and hypocritical to me.

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Amen. I think it's very important that the government and all its sections should have to prove their reasoning and intentions. I'm glad this was struck down.

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Power corrupts?!

absolute power corrupts?!


Then it has no effect on me

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Anything!!




...as long as its pleasant!

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for us!

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What would be contained theirin?

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Good one!

A constitution should follow the philosophy of the site. Which has been fairly anarchic, I suppose. So maybe a constitution is anathema to Gatchamania?

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