Transmute Jun
Queen of the Bird Missiles
I am a Swan.
40 fics uploaded
Registration Date: 04-04-2007
Posts: 20978
|
|
I haven't actually seen Gatch II (although someone is supposed to be sending me some subbed eps... you know who you are....  ) but i have the entire Eagle Riders series. As I watched it I compared the eps to Rebeokah's screenshot site and Veronika's Gatch II episode summaries. From what I can gather, 90% of the plotlines were left intact. Occasionally they would change something or cut something out, but the vast majority of stories are the same: from individual plotline episodes to overall stories like Joe being a cyborg and hating it, Mallanox's rivalry with Marstora (I forget his ER name at the moment) Mallanox being Aikins' daughter, the Solar Shift Plan, etc.
So if you have complaints about the vehicles, the Phoenix flying robot, or the overall storylines, that goes back to Gatch II. If you have complaints about some of the lame dialogue (the president lambasting Dr. Keane for not using valet parking comes to mind) then ER is to blame.
I'm not that familiar with Fighter, mostly because I haven't seen any really good episode summaries for it, but my understanding is that they chopped that up much more, partly because they didn't use more than half of the Fighter episodes.
FWIW, I think ER does have some charm all its own. They seemed to go to some effort to establish the potential for a Condor/Swan (uh, Falcon/Dove) relationship behind the scenes, and the conversations between Cybercon and Mallanox always crack me up. JMHO!
__________________
|
|
04-03-2008 14:32
|
|
tatsunokofan
Gatch Guru
0 fics uploaded
Registration Date: 03-12-2006
Posts: 1513
|
|
Hi all!
Most of the editing for the Gatchaman II portion of Eagle Riders was fairly minimal. Some of it was violence (Though not all that much, since there wasn't all that much physical violence in Gatchaman II), some of it was small scenes or parts of scenes, and pretty much all of it can be blamed on cutting the show down to fit the time requirements for a syndicated show.
As Transmute Jun has said, most of the basic plotlines of the series were left fairly intact. There were instances where parts of individual episodes were altered to make them acceptable to U.S. broadcast standards, such as rearranging the events of Gatchaman II #21 so that in Eagle Riders #6 ("Old Friends, New Enemies") the girl lives instead of being gunned down (They use that footage as a nightmare instead). There are a few other examples like this, but they're relatively uncommon.
Things get messy around the end of Gatchaman II and the beginning of Gatchaman Fighter. When episodes did have sequences that needed to be edited out, the normal practice used in Eagle Riders to fill this time was to take scenes from episodes that were otherwise being skipped in the run and add them in (Such as in Eagle Riders #41 ("Identities"), where a scene from the unused Gatchaman II #36 was included). During the transitional period between series, the storylines were too tighly woven to allow for this. As a result, they began shifting scenes from the beginning of the next episode to the end of the each episode. The amount of this shifting grew longer and longer with each episode, so that by the time they reached the end of Gatchaman Fighter #2, they still had about half an episode to fill. They made up for this by adding in space scenes from Gatchaman Fighter #47 (As a "training sequence") and the battle with the Iron Beast from #27 (As a "surprise attack by the Vorak"). And the less said about the entire thing where they have Cybercon change Mallanox into Happy Boy the better.
After that, they went back to their usual practices, keeping the events of the stories fairly intact for the Gatchaman Fighter stories. Unfortunately, with only 18 Gatchaman Fighter episodes in the Eagle Riders run, the continuing story elements in the series suffered greatly. To give the series some of the drama building toward the end, they kept in a few of the episodes dealing with Ken's health problems, but they wrapped it up with the episode where they had thought they had found a cure (It was only a stopgap measure, as they discovered a few episodes later in Gatchaman Fighter. This discovery was not included in the Eagle Riders run).
Since they didn't use the final episodes of the series (Episode #40 is as high as the Eagle Riders episodes went in the run, avoiding the death of Nambu, the destruction of Gallatown and the I.S.O. Headquarters, the anti-matter asteroid, and the series finale), the last episode of Eagle Riders is actually made from Gatchaman Fighter #15, where our heroes have destroyed Satanforhen and all but defeated Gallactor, only to have Governor Z help the villains escape to the newly built Gallatown via newly built underground trains. This story was meant to act as a resolution to the WWII-inspired war that opens Gatchaman Fighter, and to help set things up for the episodes that would follow. As such, it lacks any real resolution to the overall conflict. Simply put, it really is a rotten way to end the series.
By the way, in case anyone wonders, none of the audio used in Eagle Riders stems from either Gatchaman II or Gatchaman Fighter. Saban used the visuals only, and added completely new (And vastly inferior, if you ask me) music and sound effects.
Getting back to the original post in this thread, for the most part, the weaknesses in the story stem from the original source material, not due to editing on Saban's part. While the latter two series benefitted from tighter continuity than the original series, they lacked the creative spark that made the original so innovative and captivating (Which can be blamed on many factors, including but not limited to the lack of participation by so many of the key staff members who had worked on the first series, inexperience on the part of the staff that was working on it, and the greater influence wielded by sponsors). This doesn't mean that they're bad series. Heck, I find them more enjoyable than most of the anime programs on the air today. They just suffer in comparison to their predecessor. At least that's my opinion, for what that's worth.
Oh, yes, and Marstora's name in Eagle Riders was Krall.
James
|
|
|
04-03-2008 20:35
|
|
Hinotori
Babbling Loonie
I am an Eagle.
2 fics uploaded
Registration Date: 09-10-2007
Posts: 2004
|
|
|
|
05-03-2008 00:38
|
|
meg
Boardie
I am a Swan.
Registration Date: 06-02-2008
Posts: 335
|
|
|
|
08-03-2008 16:09
|
|
tatsunokofan
Gatch Guru
0 fics uploaded
Registration Date: 03-12-2006
Posts: 1513
|
|
| quote: | | James, I'm curious about the music. Do you know if the original is anything like on Gatch I? |
|
Sadly, no, the music in Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter is not similar to the music from the first series (Which, in my opinion at least, had the best music of the Gatchaman TV series).
At the time the second and third series were being produced, Bob Sakuma, who had composed the music for the first series, was living in America, making him unavailable to compose the music for the sequels. Instead, the music for those two series was composed by Hiroshi Tsutsui, who had scored numerous anime and tokusatsu series in the 1960s and 1970s (Such as Combattler V, Obake no Q-Taro, Voltes V, and Lion Maru). He's a good composer, and I do like his music, but stylistically he's different than Bob Sakuma, and I prefer Sakuma's work.
James
This post has been edited 2 time(s), it was last edited by tatsunokofan on 08-03-2008 at 17:15.
|
|
|
08-03-2008 16:39
|
|
|
[1]
2
next »
-->
Members browsing this thread: none
|
Pages (2):
[1]
2
next »
|
|
|
|
|
Mallanox : "My mother was Irish and my father was an alien. I was an only child and I dress funny." 
to you. You are always a wealth of information. Thank you for giving us such informative and wonderful insights on the world of Gatch. 
