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Posted by green on 15-07-2010 at 03:31:
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UW...
It's Joe.
The Condor.
Do I really need to add the 'he can do anything'?
Walks off sniggering like a demented puppy.
Yeah - I went there.
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Posted by amethyst on 15-07-2010 at 03:39:
Hey, Green, if he stood in the middle of the road and had a stare off with one, how many minutes until the goons either turn it around the other direction or just abandon it all together? Less than one, one, two, five?
And why does every one seem to think that Joe and Jason are psychos? Stubborn, determined, stubborn, defiant, and stubborn, I'll give you. But neither character has never hurt anyone unless it was in the name of stopping Galactor/Spectra. If just happened to enjoy it or went straight to the point of the matter, that just means he's happy with his job and he doesn't like to beat around the bush. He's not at all psychotic.
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Posted by green on 15-07-2010 at 04:04:
Ame - the mecha wouldn't go down any road that had the Condor standing in the middle of it *snort*
And the goons would abandon ship on just the possibility he was in the area. 
IMHO would say that Joe/Jason has definite sociopathetic (sp?) traits that he keeps under control rather well. Especially Joe because of his background.
Those traits are turned into and added to the natural stubbornness, determination and defiance that define him - which is a plus, not a negative, since he has an outlet for them.
In other words, it's just as well he's on our side!
Galactor/Spectra would have turned those traits into true psychoticness (again with the sp? Still looking for spell check on this thing!) and that's a scary thought!
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Posted by condorcandi on 15-07-2010 at 04:28:
ITA with Ame -G-2's are not psychos.
Determined, strong, clever on occasion, and very bone-headed at times, but not psychos.
Thanks goodness the Purple Villains didn't keep ahold of them.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 15-07-2010 at 07:04:
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Oh, Green! You always manage to make me
at how much you're prompt to defend the Condor by all means and at any time!! You're the best of all loyal Condor fans!I too agree regarding any Condor not being a psycho! It's just an image that has been attributed to him by fans over the years, but, whoever sees the episodes in depth will surely notice the opposite under his facade! He could even be kinder than all the other SNT members, sometimes!
Thanks a lot for the fabulous shots and video, Fang! They're really awesome! And, I concur with you, CD! I will try not to let my hopes go any higher ... it will be a pity in case we were to be let down another time! Better be happier when the real event, that is the make of the movie, turns to reality!
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Posted by clouddancer on 15-07-2010 at 12:05:
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Ohhh, good I see I am not the only one who thought that was not true. I did not want to voice my thought feeling like the only one.
Not being completely aware of the difference between sociopath and psychopath I am not so sure I can agree with Green, but I did read a story over on the Gatchaman Archives where Joe was saying exactly what Green said. Refuting he was a psychopath, but claiming he was a sociopath.
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Posted by green on 15-07-2010 at 12:35:
From my understanding of the terms, sociopaths have what we could call, for the want of the real term that I just can't seem to remember at this moment, 'anti-social' tendencies and psychopaths are out and out anti-social...
It's the level of tendencies that get the two mixing and matching at will and confuses people.
If I can (and I certainly will ) use Joe as an example...
His determination to destroy Galactor.
It's for personal reasons for the most part. He does what he has to do in the name of protecting humanity, but deep down he's doing it because he has a need for justice and revenge (that's the sociopath bit)...
He can walk away from killing a bunch of goons with no remorse over his actions - because in his eyes, they deserved it and it was better them than him, his team mates or innocent third parties. When innocents do get hurt or killed, he cares - and takes it personally.
If he was psychotic, he would do it because he enjoyed it. There would be no reason other than that - and he wouldn't care about innocent victims.
If you compare Joe to Ken, it might make it easier to understand...
Ken does the same things - out of duty and for the safety of the planet - but does feel remorse over goons. He knows it's them or him, but he does his best (usually) to limit the collateral damage.
When innocent victims are involved, Ken gets angry because Galactor is evil and doesn't care who they kill. He rarely takes it personally because he knows exactly who's to blame.
Does that make sense? I'm tired since I'm heading towards 19 hours of no sleep, so I can imagine it's more than a little confusing...
So, a re-cap...
Ken - normal.
Joe - sociopath.
Sosai X - psychopath.
Yeah, just realised that the comparison between the three pretty much answers the question *sigh*
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Posted by clouddancer on 15-07-2010 at 12:45:
Thanks Green, I think that makes it clear, but if it came to me explaining it in a day (or months) time I will probably be confused again. Some times I have a hard time remembering fact that really do not relate to me in any way. Especially if I am not constantly using them.
That is why I had such a hard time memorizing dates and equations in school. I did not see the need for them so would let them slip for things that interested me more, usually things that the teacher figured were not important and never had on their tests.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 15-07-2010 at 13:53:
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That was a perfect explanation, Green! If 19 hours of no sleep has this effect on you, I don't know what more hours can do!!!! ... but, I honestly do not wish to know as you need to have more sleep not less!! ... and I so need some too!! Now, I have to switch off as I'm going for a very longed for vacation, hoping that nothing goes wrong, for a change! Will hopefully join in next week! In the meantime, we could think under which category of the above we may fit in!!!
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Posted by lyon on 15-07-2010 at 14:47:
From the Wiki:
"Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood."
To be diagnosed, an individual must be age 18 or older, as well as have a documented history of a conduct disorder before the age of 15. People having antisocial personality disorder are sometimes referred to as "sociopaths" and "psychopaths."
.....The official stance of the American Psychiatric Association as presented in the DSM-IV-TR is that "psychopathy" and "sociopathy" are obsolete synonyms for antisocial personality disorder."
I don't believe either Joe or Ken exhibit the lack of empathy characterized in these disorders, or the manipulative and self-aggrandizing actions that are found in the psychopath. If you're going to assign some labels, I'd be digging more into the war trauma and stress areas to define what's going on with them, not the "anti-social" behaviour area.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 15-07-2010 at 15:23:
I think Joe (and Ken) certainly have issues, but but I don't know enough about psychology to go much further than that.
Joe laughing while shooting in this new Imagi video reminded me of the NTT commercial from way back -in fact the whole video seems like it might have been influenced a bit by it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UroGWIY-iKo
Posted by amethyst on 15-07-2010 at 15:58:
Lyon, you've hit it right one in my opinion. If he can control feeling's and actions to a reasonable degree, if he thinks about how is actions affect others, if actions are a choice rather than compulsion (control of behavior) than neither apply. Plus, usually -- at least in what I have seen, if he were truely psychotic/sociopath/ASPD, the behaviors would not stop at Galactor.
(For what it's worth, my own experience with psychology is limited to a few CC classes, a lot of personal reading/research to help my son, and a fondness for pyschological criticism in literature -- any read "The Yellow Wallpaper" or "A Rose for Emily"?)
Candi, I knew we had to be able to agree on something! 
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Posted by Becky Rock on 15-07-2010 at 20:59:
I love the new footage. We can still hope it'll comr about.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 15-07-2010 at 22:09:
The Yellow Wallpaper! I read it when I was in high school and found it again a couple of decades later. Still an impressive depiction of a descent into delusional something-or-other. The author had had a bout with post-partum depression, and I suspect she used it in writing that little gem. (The Stupid Victorian Husband in the story really deserved to be crawled over, IMO. This is what happens when you pat your wife on the head and treat her like a child.)
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Posted by green on 16-07-2010 at 02:42:
Lyon, I should have prefaced my post with IMHO.
My opinion, not labels - so I will apologise for that.
However, my opinion is based on a lecture I attended in my second year of university as part of the compulsory psychology component of my course.
I remember it well, even though it was 15 or so years ago. The lecturer was a guest speaker, and by far the best we that we had in the two years.
He made things easy by using examples we could relate to... And he was funny as hell to boot!
He used two soldiers to define 'normal' (yes, with the quotation marks!) and 'sociopath'.
The first would be the one who did a tour of duty because they were sent.
The second would sign up for a second tour of duty because the military action or war had become personal and 'necessary' to them.
He was very careful to explain that sociopathic (where is the damn spell check??) tendenancies aren't all bad as they often relate to survival and even love. At no time did he mention a lack of empathy as defining someone with sociopathic tendenancies...
To define 'pyschopath' he used Martin Bryant - the man who shot something like 32 people in Port Arthur, Tasmania. He did definitely mention the lack of empathy when discussing this guy!
Bryant chased a 6 year old child around a tree playing 'peek-a-boo' with her after he had shot and killed her mother and three year old sister in front of her.... And then killed her. Witnesses say he was laughing the whole time!!
*shakes self* Anyway... As I was saying. My opinion is based on definitions I learned fifteen years ago. In the world of psychology and the like, that's a long time for a definition since so much of the discipline is subjected to fluid trends and beliefs. Freud versus Jung, for example.
It also depends on where you learn them too. I'm in Australia, went to an Australian University and the guest speaker was also an Australian psychologist. Wikipedia cites an American text. Just as we all speak English there are differences in our languages, some subtle and some not - and those differences may well show up in a field that is quite often subjective and not objective.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 16-07-2010 at 03:15:
Hi all!
This video is certainly interesting to see, but I'm glad to see that people aren't getting their hopes up regarding this film ever being made. After all, this teaser isn't a newly made product. Instead, it was produced before the studio shut down earlier this year. Regardless, it's nice that it has surfaced for us to see.
As far as Imagi is concerned, the company that owns the studio is apparently still involved in reorganization efforts. Unfortunately, their latest announcement, a legally required Profit Warning from July 15th, makes it seem unlikely that many people would invest any sizable amount of money in them.
http://www.imagi.com.hk/web/archives/pdf/announcement/announce_2010071 5E(2).pdf
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Posted by FangJoker on 17-07-2010 at 06:00:
Another teaser for the film, made back in 2007. Some of Springie's shots from the trailer are from here, as well as the early screenshots Felix shared with us back in 2007-2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyJRm9Y_v8M
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Posted by clouddancer on 17-07-2010 at 11:36:
Thank you Fang. I saw that over on Twitch the other day. For anyone interested you could try here. It fact you will find several different clips and trailers all in that link. Many have been shown here before.
http://twitchfilm.net/news/2010/07/gatchaman-is-not-dead-first-teaser-says-yes.php
I know I recognize the background music (from this latest clip) from another movie. Any enthusiastic movie watchers out there who could identify which movie?
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 17-07-2010 at 14:35:
Hi all!
It's nice that all these old teasers, trailers, and test footage is showing up. I wonder when the teaser that Imagi showed at Anime Expo and Comic Con last year will finally turn up?
James
Posted by clouddancer on 17-07-2010 at 14:43:
You mean this one James? A fan copied one. (Or do you mean the actual trailer FROM Imagi not copied on someones cellphone.)
It is not a good showing since it is off set and there is a lot of background noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqxIS-oyXwQ
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