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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-05-2010 at 04:13:
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And how would he know to go there? Well, Ryu did say he knew Dr. Nambu, but it could have meant the good doctor had a boat at the marina. Hm. Fic possibilities in there...
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 04-05-2010 at 04:38:
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If he knows that Ryu knows Nambu, and there's no reason to assume that he doesn't (Ryu's father certainly knows Nambu, and Seiji may know him as well), why wouldn't he check there?
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 04-05-2010 at 13:14:
It's always been my assumption that Ryu's family knew he was working for Nambu at the ISO... just not in what capacity.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 04-05-2010 at 14:38:
He must have had some type of backup story about his work and his whereabouts. It's not easy to hide everything from whom is closest to you ... you could easily mess up things by having many points to cover. It could be rather confusing! Having, at least, the reassurance that you won't make any error when mentioning, or when being found at the place you're mostly associated with would be most comforting!
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-05-2010 at 22:08:
In The God Phoenix Reborn, Ryu's father specifically mentions that he heard Ryu was working at a yacht harbor. A little later, Ryu says he knows Dr. Nambu, but not how he knows him. (I can imagine his family thinking that Nambu might have a boat docked at the marina.)
In this episode, we learn that his relationship with his father is apparently not the greatest. Papa Nakanishi has a poor opinion of his son, and he gave no hint that he thought his son had any connection to the ISO.
Lovely blank areas to fill in, aren't they?
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Posted by gatchamarie on 05-05-2010 at 06:08:
They surely are!
In fact, Ryu's father had pictured Ryu as an ungrateful son ... I always had the idea that, before discovering the truth about the Owl, Ryu's father could have thought that Ryu just left home to be on his own and didn't care less. I don't know how much communication there could have been between them, apart from the few times we know. Perhaps that's why it was so easy for Ryu to keep the secret!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 05-05-2010 at 14:29:
Yes, they never really said why Ryu's father doesn't think much of him, other than what's in this episode: he thinks Ryu eats too much and is a 'bum'. It's actually very sad... which is why I felt the need to re-watch the Gatchaman II episode where Ryu has to reveal himself to his Dad and brother, and they finally understand what he's doing with his life.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 05-05-2010 at 20:43:
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In that episode, Ryu's identity as a member of the Science Ninja Team remains a secret from his father and Seiji. They believe that he is, as Seiji puts it, a "subcontractor" who does work for the Ninja Team. So, while they know that Ryu isn't a lazy coward, they do not know that he is G-5.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 06-05-2010 at 01:14:
I didn't realize that. I don't have English subtitles of the episode, so I was going with the Eagle Riders version storyline, where he transforms in front of them, and they know he's on the Team...
So Ryu transforms in front of his father and brother, and they still don't realize he's on the Team? That seems odd...
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 06-05-2010 at 01:32:
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When did he do that? When he was with them in Bird Style, he had already transformed.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 06-05-2010 at 01:36:
Okay, I thought the implication was that they had seen him...
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Posted by lborgia88 on 06-05-2010 at 02:24:
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Hey, it's the same series where no one notices that Joe is a cyborg either.
Despite hints that Ryu's a Science Ninja, maybe there's such an aura of mystery and power surrounding the Team and its superhuman feats, that Ryu's father and brother just can't imagine that Ryu might actually be a Ninja. They just see a capable guy who could be doing more with his life but, as far as they can tell, isn't.
Maybe his Dad, on some level, resents the fact that Ryu isn't following him in the fishing trade and has left the village for a big city, and therefore is inclined to denigrate Ryu's (apparent) failure to "make something of himself" there?
I guess they can believe he's doing some subcontracted work for the Team, though.
I'm remembering now how Joe was complaining that escorting the Blue Hawk in ep. 11 was "boring and unworthy" of the Science Ninja Team -if only he'd thought of hiring subcontractors for the job!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 06-05-2010 at 02:42:
You make a good point, LB... we don't see much about how the public view the SNT, but they are probably given some kind of 'superhuman' status.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 06-05-2010 at 02:48:
Complete with a line of toys, comic books and other merchandising. (With the ISO hiring Disney to help control use of the team's images. Just as the RCMP had to do.)
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Posted by gatchamarie on 06-05-2010 at 06:12:
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I so wish to have the chance to re-watch Gatch II after not having seen this second series for so much time since my childhood! I never tried to acquire Gatch II episodes ... I only interested myself in the Gatch F ones! I too have thought that Ryu's image in front of his father's and brother's eyes had been redeemed, them discovering that he was a member of the SNT. I must have misunderstood the story and it must also have become more blurred as time passed by. I was so sure that they then knew that he was G-5 ... or maybe my mind wanted to think like that! Now, I also am questioning myself if, maybe, that's what have been indicated in the Italian version and dialogue.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 06-05-2010 at 13:47:
Gatch F is a good series, Marie, but so is Gatch II. If you have access to it, you may want to watch again!
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Posted by gatchamarie on 06-05-2010 at 15:23:
You're more than right, TJ! Gatch II is a very good series ... as all the whole Gatchaman trio, IMHO! Gatch F was the series which I recall seeing most frequently when it was aired periodically. It has left its print in my heart, especially as it was mostly focused on my dear Eagle, even if it also had its defects!
I've looked into the episode list of Gatch II in Wikipedia. I don't know how much it's accurate but this is what's written about Episode 30 of Gatch II:
@Ryu Has Returned to His Hometown"
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Because his father is hurt, Ryu gets into the Horned Tank and goes back to his native fishing-village. However, in the sea around the village, Galactor plans to destroy a gas chamber and let the land sink into the sea. When Gel Sadra sees the G-5 heading towards the village, she thinks that the Science Ninja Team got wind of her plan. Ryu has indeed noticed some strange bubbles and Nambu tells him that he will send the God Phoenix to investigate. Gel Sadra charges two assassins with infiltrating the village and aiming at Ryu. Opposing the attacking Galactor, Ryu pretends to be weak and gets out of the difficult situation because the assassins start to doubt whether he really is a member of the Science Ninja Team.
However, shortly thereafter, his father and younger brother are abducted by Galactor. Ryu follows them and finds out that a petroleum tanker at sea is actually the Galactor base. In order to save his family, Ryu sneaks into the base. But when they are used as shields, Ryu gets into a difficult situation again. When his father refuses to serve as bait, Ryu gets tears in his eyes. But before Gel Sadra can force Ryu to reveal himself, the Science Ninja Team's submarine breaks into the base. Ken and the others have detected the gas chambers, and thereafter the base, and come charging in. With their help, Ryu is able to save his family. But they know now that he's a member of the Science Ninja Team.
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... To what extent I don't know!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 06-05-2010 at 15:36:
Hi all!
All I'm going by is what's in the Japanese version of the episode, and in that they do not know that he is G-5.
Looking at Daniela's translations of the Italian version of the episode, the dialogue is rewritten from what is in the Japanese to have Ryu's secret revealed (By having him refer to his father as such when dealing with him in Bird Style and having Gel Sadra make mention that the people the Japanese version refers to simply as "prisoners" are his "father and brother" are but two examples).
Whoever wrote up the Wikipedia entry probably went by what they got from Daniela's translation from Italian, but not what was in the original Japanese version of the episode.
Of course, in Eagle Riders, Ryu's father is his brother, and his brother is his nephew, so I guess we should be glad that the Wikipedia writer didn't base their entry on that!
James
Posted by gatchamarie on 06-05-2010 at 16:47:
This is why I so like to watch originals with subtitles, sometimes! Things can deviate so much through translations! And this is why I so appreciate your interventions, James! You always abide by what's original and you always have a founded explanation!
I knew that, somewhere in my mind, there was that firm conviction that I've really witnessed such event ... that is Ryu's identity as a member of the SNT being revealed to his father and brother. Unfortunately, this information was misleading then! Two or three words in the right place might have made the whole difference!
And who knows just how many points and events differ in any way from what I've learnt and heard in the past when having watched Gatchaman in Italian! I've already been seeing differences when re-watching it in English dub! I so hope that there weren't many errors, at least!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 06-05-2010 at 20:16:
I appreciate your information as well, James. Since I don't' have English subtitles for that Gatch II episode, I was using the ER storyline (changing the relationship between Ollie and his brother/nephew to Ryu and his father/brother, of course) because it was similar to what Daniela had posted. Of course, Daniela's translations come through the Italian version, so it's possible that there as a translation issue from Japanese to Italian, when those episodes were being produced.
Thank you for clarifying, James!
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