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Posted by shamrokchick on 28-08-2008 at 23:50:
Also their silly outfits usually coordinated with their mecha.
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Posted by Ladygalactor777 on 01-09-2008 at 01:28:
From all the galactor captains this is my favorite...
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& this is the most dorkiest...is humiliating! hahahah!
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Posted by Barrdwing on 01-09-2008 at 02:21:
Oh, the Shakespearean ant dude! 
Yeah, he definitely got the short end of the stick when it came to costuming. I can't think of anyone who looks good in pantaloons. 
And considering that Mr. Ant is actually Katse . . . boy, makes you wonder about his fashion sense, dunnit? 
Because if anybody had some say in what he was going to wear, it would be him--unlike some of those other poor souls, who may have been under orders to wear those ridiculous outfits. Or not. Who can tell?
Posted by Transmute Jun on 01-09-2008 at 20:04:
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I think this was all part of Katse's deception. NO ONE would imagine he's Katse, because they would assume he had no control over his outfit...
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Posted by lborgia88 on 01-09-2008 at 21:11:
Okay, okay, the sixteenth century is my field, so I reluctantly feel compelled to point out that women then did actually think that (upper-class ) men looked hot when dressed like this, mostly because the tight hose, from mid-thigh down, did accentuate men's legs (one of Elizabeth I's leading courtiers, Christopher Hatton, supposedly first caught her attention because she liked his legs).
Me, I like the Condor's boots (and legs) much, much better!
Posted by clouddancer on 01-09-2008 at 21:22:
And those boots are tight and accentuate the well defined muscles and length of leg that seems to go on forever.
(Well .... at least, that is a recap of how I have defined the Eagles legs in a story I started writing, but left, but I could use it to describe the Condor's legs just as well.)
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Posted by clouddancer on 01-09-2008 at 21:22:
Ooooops,
Double Post.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 02-09-2008 at 00:41:
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We actually came close to seeing that particular uniform a lot in the series. It was originally designed to be the outfit worn by Berg Katse, only to be replaced at the last minute by the more familiar purple suit he wears.
Apparently Tatsunoko didn't want the design work to go to waste, so they simply recycled it and used it for the Commander from the first two episodes of the series.
This change came so late in pre-production that Tatsunoko had already provided images of that costume to their advertising agency. As a result, some very early Gatchaman merchandise and comics show that costume as being the one worn by Katse.
By the way, as a point of trivia, it should be noted that not all of the guys generally thought of as "Captains" weren't actually a Captain. Some of them were actually Commanders (Specifically the guys from episode #'s 1 & 2, 17, 26, 39 & 40, 74, and Gatchaman Fighter #21), and a couple were Commanding Captains (In Episode #'s 18 and 57).
Anyway, more than you ever really cared to know...
James
Posted by clouddancer on 02-09-2008 at 01:16:
But still very interesting James. From my limited knowledge, I would have said they were all Captains.
Thank you. 
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 02-09-2008 at 01:25:
And here I thought Mark was the only Commander.... 
Thank you for your insight, James. Now for the real question: does a Commander outrank a Captain? And presumably the Commanding Captain outranks them both?
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 02-09-2008 at 02:40:
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It's difficult to say, exactly. The specific titles used for Gallactor ranks do not correlate to any actual ranking system I have found, Japanese or otherwise.
In the ranking system used by the U.S. Navy, a Commander is lower ranked than a Captain. Unfortunately, the kanji used by the Japanese for those same U.S. Navy ranks are not the same as used by Gallactor Commanders and Captains. So, while part of me leans toward using our ranking system, since it uses both Commander and Captain, this may not have been the intent of Tatsunoko (Assuming they had any intent at all regarding these ranks).
The Commanding Captain might provide us with the best clue as to which one is higher ranked. It is traditional within our ranking system to add a lower ranking suffix to a rank to indicate divisions within a rank level (Lieutenant Colonel being lower ranked than a Colonel, for example). The Japanese military handles this slightly differently, adding kanji for "small," "medium," and "large" or "3," "2", and "1" as a suffix to ranks to designate where on the ladder of a particular rank someone is positioned, but the intent seems to be similar.
By that logic, a Gallactor Commanding Captain would likely be a step between a Commander and a Captain, where one is higher ranked than a Commander, but not as highly ranked as a Captain. I'll admit that this is speculate on my part, but assuming Tatsunoko intended to follow the traditions of military ranking, I would guess that the Captain would outrank the Commander.
Assuming that is correct, the levels of known Gallactor ranks would go as follows:
Governor (X)
Leader (Katse)
Captain
Commanding Captain
Commander
Chief
Member
The rank of Vice Governor briefly existed between Governor and Leader, but pretty much in name only. This was the rank given to Dr. Henjinman in Gatchaman #21 , and was used mostly to trick the Doctor into creating cyborg horses for Gallactor. Once Henjinman's usefulness to Gallactor was finished, both he and his rank were eliminated.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 02-09-2008 at 13:34:
Okay, I'm going to write this one down....
I'm actually working on a fic right now (slowly, because ER Episode Guide is taking priority) where this could come in very handy. So thank you!
Okay, I'm veeeeerrrrrry fuzzy on this, but I know there was that big bald guy with the white beard in the TNG Admiral's uniform who temporarily took over from Berg Katse (and was promptly dispatched by the KNT). I'm at work so I can't look up his name. Presuming that you know what the heck I'm talking about (sometimes I confuse myself) what was his rank?
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Posted by Barrdwing on 02-09-2008 at 14:48:
<chuckle> I don't know his proper Gatch rank, but in BotP he was Colonel Tu, and evidently ranked highly enough for the Luminous One to choose him as a replacement for Zoltar. When James gets home this afternoon I'll let him know there's another good question here!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 02-09-2008 at 20:15:
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If James keeps putting himself out to answer all of our questions, he's going to find himself very busy!
But yes, Colonel Tu. That's the BOTP name. I just can't remember the Gatch name.
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Posted by Hinotori on 02-09-2008 at 22:29:
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So if we were to use this ranking in the BoTP universe, this would mean that Mark outranks Anderson?
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Posted by clouddancer on 02-09-2008 at 22:34:
In a lot of fics, people have written that: Mark, while in the field or definitely during a battle out ranks Anderson.
In fact I have seen someone say, as Commander, he out ranks everyone during a battle.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 02-09-2008 at 23:01:
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Good one, Hino!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 03-09-2008 at 01:34:
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The guy you're thinking of is Doctor Finger, who appeared in Gatchaman #90, "The Armored Iron Beast Matangar" (AKA "the Awesome Armadillo" in BotP). Beyond being a top Gallactor scientist, he has no official rank. His intent was to show X that he could defeat the Science Ninja Team. If he succeeded in doing so, his reward was that he would replace Katse as Leader.
As things stand, the scientific side of Gallactor does not seem to fall into the hierarchy of ranks normally associated with Gallactor. Instead, it acts like a separate, non-military portion of the organization. We don't generally see too much of this side, but we do see some of them at work when they are examining Jun's captured shoe, and we know that their ranks included people like Dr. Misuno (Gatchaman #74), Dr. Ogawara and Nakamora (Both from Gatchaman #59), and, of course, Dr. Finger.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 03-09-2008 at 01:39:
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You're right, James, we don't see much of this side of Galactor, which leads me to wonder how much autonomy it has from Katse... interesting...
Thanks for the information and inspiration!
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Posted by shamrokchick on 03-09-2008 at 03:51:
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Good description clouddancer!
And thanks James for all the great info!
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