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Posted by gatchamarie on 09-01-2011 at 08:11:
I love that animation, too, LB! Thanks a lot for sharing that moment with us!
And, Springie ... you couldn't have said it better ... that is, all of the others knew about Jun's feelings towards Ken, except for Ken himself! Even if I keep on liking to think, and am almost certain, that deep down Ken knew, and had the same feelings himself, but he did quite a heck of a good job in order to hide his sentiments due to the circumstances, pushing her away and avoiding her instead of giving her any fragile hopes!
Mentioning one of my annoying Gatch F references ... Joe, together with all the others, was also very supportive during Ken's sickness! This is especially highlighted when Ken's condition had turned to the worse! There was even that particular instant, before they decided to face the final battle, in which only Jun was left staying at Ken's bedside, and Joe kept holding an impatient Jinpei away from the room in order to give Jun some time on her own with Ken!
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 09-01-2011 at 13:50:
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Cool, I'm going to dive right in and watch the Japanese versions of those next, I'll just have to imagine what's going on : )
lborgia88, I like that animation, conveys a lot. I do wonder about the stare that Jinpei has though.. Creepy : ) I also like your take on the challenges of writing Joe/Jun, hadn't really considered the fun to be had in finding ways to get them together!
Posted by lborgia88 on 11-01-2011 at 00:09:
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There's fun to be had with canon, I think, both when trying to bend it and when trying to write something that fits closely with canon premises/events
-or something that could happened within canon (but that just wasn't shown
)I admire people who have their own AUs, for the depth of imagination it requires, but I've not tried that myself.
Posted by lborgia88 on 13-01-2011 at 19:24:
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The other night, I found myself thinking about this, how writing Jun/Joe pretty much requires dealing with the "Why Joe and not Ken -what about Ken?" question. There are quite a few answers to this question out there in fics, but that got me thinking about Ryu...
An even more interesting challenge would be plausibly writing a Jun/Ryu romance! I'm pretty sure I've read a fic or two where Ryu has unrequited feelings for Jun, but can anyone think of a fic with a requited Jun/Ryu romance? Off the top of my head, I don't think I can, but surely someone's tried it...
I'm not saying I have plans myself to try it, but it would make an interesting writing challenge -trickier than Joe/Jun, at any rate!
Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 13-01-2011 at 23:22:
Fanfics and Bird People at Gatchfanfic.
http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=687
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Posted by clouddancer on 13-01-2011 at 23:50:
LB, there are two that I enjoy. One by our very own SJ I believe called Secret admiration . Although this is probably more along the unrequited feelings you mentioned
And a second one by the same author UW just linked to by Sabrina Alexander called Liquid Bliss . I enjoy because Jun is the instigator to the first kiss not Ryu, from there the author has left it to your imagination, although i like to think the story UW has linked to comes after Liquid Bliss. 
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Posted by lborgia88 on 14-01-2011 at 00:42:
Ah, so there is at least one author, Sabrina Alexander, who's done requited Jun/Ryu...
Seems her solution to the "Why Ryu and not Ken or Joe -what about Ken and Joe?" problem is that Ken is into "busty blonds" and Joe is in to "booze and debauchery." I'm not sure if that completely works for me, but she did write a very sweet Jun/Ryu interaction! I wish she'd written more here...
It has been my observation/experience in life that often guys who are more of the hot-looking, attention-getting alpha/hero variety (akin to Ken or Joe) are often also stressed, preoccupied and generally high-maintenance -such that a laid-back guy who's relaxed and actually happy most of the time will start to, by contrast, seem very appealing. This could well work in Ryu's favor!
Posted by clouddancer on 14-01-2011 at 01:29:
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I agree I too would have liked to see what she did if she had written more.
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 14-01-2011 at 14:33:
Haha, I liked Liquid Bliss, shame that Jun has to get drunk to appreciate Ryu.. Fanfics and birdpeople ran down some of the same paths my mind did.. I wonder if anyone's written anything about Jun and a Captain of the week (or even a goon : )
Posted by Springie on 14-01-2011 at 20:11:
Actually, they have...these are two of my favorites!
Inconsistencies
The Return
Both by Maya Perez... 
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Posted by lborgia88 on 15-01-2011 at 07:48:
I think I've read those... but it would have been quite some time ago. Probably high time for a re-read...
I have to admit, back in the days when I was 100% lurker, I did seem to have more time for reading fics!
Posted by clouddancer on 15-01-2011 at 13:26:
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I know just how you feel LB. I am always wishing I could find more time to go back and reread stories or time to hunt for new ones to add to my favourites.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 18-01-2011 at 14:16:
Wow, you guys have been having a fascinating conversation while I've been away!
I have to admit that I enjoy writing Joe/Jun... mostly because (as LB said) you have to *work* at it. It's not generally accepted, so you really have to come up with a good explanation as to why they are together (and more importantly, why Jun is not with Ken).
That being said, I love Ken/Jun as well. It just depends on my mood (or heck, what I'm reading!) at the time. There are so many hints in Gatch, but nothing for certain... leading to some delicious angst on both of their parts! I've gone through that one more times than I can count and you know I will be doing it again!
Of course, the *best* is when you have a triangle. Ken and Joe both angsting over Jun? Jun unable to decide, or perhaps carelessly and cluelessly trampling over someone's feelings because she just doesn't know? That's fanfic gold! And yeah, I've used that too. In fact I'm writing it now... 
As for Ryu... I'm not sure that's something I could write personally. As a female, I just don't find Ryu attractive in any way, which would make it difficult for me to write him as a romantic leading man. Doesn't mean I won't read other fics though... 
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 08-02-2011 at 11:32:
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Those are really good, very impressed with how the characters' actions line up with how I imagine they would act and the extended scope of the story. She's absolutely nailed Joe too : )
"O beautiful one" was a bit too close to "Oh luminous one" (not to mention corny : ) for my taste though. I had some
related anxiety at one stage : )
Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-02-2011 at 14:16:
related anxiety! Do tell! *TJ waits anxiously for dirt*
Seriously, though, I can see how as a kid would creep you out. He's just so bizarre... and vicious to boot!
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 08-02-2011 at 14:43:
Actually, as a kid I always liked .. He (she?) never seemed all that evil. The anxiety was thinking that Jun might be falling for a cleverly disguised Frosten : )
(So, how many more times do you think we can use this emoticon in the one thread? : )
Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-02-2011 at 14:54:
I don't know. Shall we try?
You thought Jun might be falling for ? Now that's freaky Whatever would make you think that Jun would find attractive? Or that he'd know where to find her? And I'm not familiar with the 'Frosten ' term?
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 08-02-2011 at 15:17:
Game on : )
So I'm hoping I don't destroy anyone's enjoyment of the story if they haven't read it... Stop reading now if that's you : )
I never thought Jun would fall for (although that would make a good story, is a magnetic figure after all). I also never thought that Jun would in any way find attractive, even if disguised him/herself (unless it was as Ken : ) I do think that would find Jun attractive (even if she dressed up as Ken : )
What I did think, was that 's mutterings of "Oh luminous one" and Frost's "Oh beautiful one" had a weird resonance. At one point in the story I thought, wow, wouldn't it be cool (and creepy) if Frost turned out to be . So Frosten is my clumsy attempt to merge Frost and and refer to them as one character. I think it would have made a nice twist to the story if he had turned out to be .
Your move : )
Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-02-2011 at 21:26:
I don't think I can out- you! You've certainly got s coming out the ying yang!
Okay, this is making more sense now! I was wondering what I was missing! 
As for and Jun.... 
that's not for me. I know there was a big IF about it a few years ago, and even those people, who were gung ho to see it happen, had to have brain-washing her. And I guess there's a PWP piece on gatchfanfic.com... which I dont mind so much, because she's fantasizing about Ken and ends up with Ken at the ends.
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Posted by Crescent_Moon on 09-02-2011 at 13:58:
Haha, I'll have to have a look for those : ) I agree that it'd be hard to find a way to make it work. I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that we only ever see as a woman when she's not in her purple outfit. Maybe if he's in his male phase (every other year?) and it's before the series starts...
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