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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 10-12-2009 at 23:56:

Just checked Wikipedia. There ARE cold-water coral reefs, but they're rare. The map showed some reefs north of Britain, and near Maine or someplace. So anyone writing a fic about Sea Lion Island can put it in those two places.

Wikipedia is wonderful.

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 11-12-2009 at 01:37:

Hi all!

A couple quick things.

First, the President in episode #56 is not Zabal, he is President Dabara. Yes, ADV screwed up -- again. What a shock.

Secondly, regarding Utoland as a "city-state," there is one aspect of the name of the city in Japanese that pretty well places it as nothing more than a normal city, and that's the "-shi" suffix that's added to the end of the name, so that it's pronounced "Yutorando-shi." As you might have guessed, "-shi" means "city." Usually a large city, but just a city, not a city-state (Which would likely have used the suffix "-koku" instead). In colloquial English, that kind of suffix is usually dropped (People don't refer to "Los Angeles City" or "Denver City," for example), which is why the city aspect of the name is usually dropped by English speakers, but it is there.

Regarding Utoland, here's a map of the area that was drawn up by the Tatsunoko staff, showing the relative positions of where the main characters live.

 

1. The airstrip where Ken lives.
2. The race track where Joe keeps his trailer.
3. Where Jun and Jinpei live.
4. Where Ryu's yacht harbor is.
5. Where Nambu's villa is.

Speaking of Nambu's villa, that is his regular home, not a "summer home."

And lastly, it should be remembered that Crescent Coral Reef does not stay in any one location. It uses those rocket engines to move around in order to make it impossible for Gallactor to figure out exactly where it is. So, it may be near Utoland one week, but hundreds of miles away the next.

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Posted by nuni on 11-12-2009 at 02:44:

Thanks James. You always have such interesting info. And the map is super cool. Curious - what does it say about the squiggly road west of Joe's racetrack?


Posted by Springie on 11-12-2009 at 07:29:

Oh wow! James, that is very cool! I always thought that Ken's airfield must be close to the city...since he seems to be within walking distance of Jun's place.

I figured that Joe's racetrack was on the outskirts of town because of the episode where all of Galactor's old mecha return.

But I pictured Ryu's yacht harbor and Nambu's place being much further away for some odd reason.

This map is very helpful! Thanks for sharing it!

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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 11-12-2009 at 07:38:

They live so close to each other! I would have thought it would be more spread out....Thanks for sharing James!

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Posted by green on 11-12-2009 at 10:03:

I thought the same, Ebony. Then I took a second look at it. If you take the square as the airfield, even a small one would have to be what, at least 800 metres long? If not more? That would mean Ken and Joe live at least 12 kilometres from each other. And we're only seeing the part of the city that applies to our heroes. There could be a lot more we're not seeing.

I have to thank you too, James! I saw your post literally moments before opening a fic to add something that would be completely wrong compared with the map.

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Posted by gatchamarie on 11-12-2009 at 11:09:

Thanks from me too, James! Knowing and seeing such things helps a lot to have a more understandable picture of what goes on through the series!

Hmm ... is it my mind or a coincidence that I can also note a triangular shape created by residences 1, 2 and 3! Me and my mind! ... LOL, the triangular aspect between G1, G2, and G3 somehow exists and residence 3 is in the middle (even if shared with Jinpei)!

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Posted by lborgia88 on 11-12-2009 at 11:23:

Thanks for posting that map, James! Henceforth, I'll have a sense of direction where everyone is vis a vis each other, when Dr. Nambu tells them all to assemble on the God Phoenix.

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Originally posted by Springie

But I pictured Ryu's yacht harbor and Nambu's place being much further away for some odd reason.


I certainly thought that Dr. Nambu's house would be further out from the city, as there never seem to be any other buildings or houses in sight when his place is shown, but that makes more sense now that I see that his house is out on a narrow bit of land sticking out into the sea. Still, to have his own private (or mostly private) peninsula, so close to the center of the Utoland -that must be some $$$ real estate!


Posted by Transmute Jun on 11-12-2009 at 13:17:

Thanks for the map, James! That's great information for all of us!

It looks to me like Jun and Jinpei live 'downtown', which would make sense because of their bar. So I'm guessing that heavily shaded area is the 'city' part (i.e. the densly populated area) and everyone else *is* in the outskirts. And note that Dr. Nambu is at the edge of the map, which suggests that he *is* quite far out of downtown.

Now, where is the ISO Building? Wink

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 11-12-2009 at 17:04:

Hi all!

quote:
Curious - what does it say about the squiggly road west of Joe's racetrack?


Essentially nothing. The larger kanji between the race track and the road indicates that area is a hill. The building by the triangular portion of the road is a motel. The kanji for the other building on that road is nearly impossible to make out, but I think it says that the building is a church.

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Now, where is the ISO Building?


Where it has always been -- in the city of Amegapolis in the country of Ameris, and therefore not visible on a map showing the area around Utoland.

James


Posted by Transmute Jun on 12-12-2009 at 00:56:

quote:
Originally posted by tatsunokofan
Where it has always been -- in the city of Amegapolis in the country of Ameris, and therefore not visible on a map showing the area around Utoland.


Yes, but that's Headquarters. ISn't there an ISO office in Utoland, where Dr. Nambu goes to work?

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 12-12-2009 at 01:13:

Hi all!

quote:
ISn't there an ISO office in Utoland, where Dr. Nambu goes to work?


Not that we've ever seen. Nambu has his office in the I.S.O. Headquarters, and his office and labs in Crescent Coral Reef. When working in Utoland, he works from the office and labs inside his villa.

James


Posted by lborgia88 on 12-12-2009 at 04:23:

Really? Wow. I had no idea that every time Dr. Nambu is shown in an ISO building that's clearly not his house or the Crescent Coral Base, that he's in Ameris instead of Utoland. They made such a big deal about the novelty and excitement of the Team going all the way to the ISO headquarters in Ameris in episode 24, I assumed that going there was a relatively rare thing and that there was an ISO building in Utoland too. There's never much indication that Dr. Nambu is far from Utoland, in Ameris, and has to travel back there, say, in episode 52 when he meets Katse in disguise in his ISO office, and then he's suddenly summoning the Team to meet him at his villa. I suppose, with the time constraints of a 23 minute episode, there's really no time to show the characters traveling between Utoland and Amegapolis, but it sure gives the impression to me that, unless it's specifically stated otherwise, that they're all in Utoland. Shows what I know!

Granted, it's never explained how Dr. Nambu gets to and from the Crescent Coral Base either.


Posted by tatsunokofan on 12-12-2009 at 16:37:

Hi all!

quote:
I had no idea that every time Dr. Nambu is shown in an ISO building that's clearly not his house or the Crescent Coral Base, that he's in Ameris instead of Utoland.


Well, not every time he's seen in an I.S.O. building. They do have other facilities, obviously. But, as far as when we see his office goes, it appears to be in the I.S.O. Headquarters.

quote:
They made such a big deal about the novelty and excitement of the Team going all the way to the ISO headquarters in Ameris in episode 24, I assumed that going there was a relatively rare thing and that there was an ISO building in Utoland too.


While going to Ameris might have been a new thing for members of the Ninja Team, that isn't the case with Nambu.

There's no reason to assume that there can't be an I.S.O. building in Utoland, only that we don't see a building designated as such.

quote:
There's never much indication that Dr. Nambu is far from Utoland, in Ameris, and has to travel back there, say, in episode 52 when he meets Katse in disguise in his ISO office, and then he's suddenly summoning the Team to meet him at his villa.


In that instance, there's no indication that the office Nambu is in is his office. The specific wording for that scene ("At that time, in an office of the International Science and Technology Organization...") does not state that the office is Nambu's, or where that office is located. A technicality? Sure, but one that does cast doubt on it being Nambu's office, or that he's in the I.S.O. HQ. So, perhaps he is in an unseen, unidentified Utoland I.S.O. building. I wish I had the recording script or the scenario for this episode, so I could see what they said there regarding the location. Alas, that is an episode for which I have neither.

quote:
Granted, it's never explained how Dr. Nambu gets to and from the Crescent Coral Base either.


I'd guess he uses the submarine-car thing from episode #84, at least some of the time (Which is officially called the "Small Transportation Mecha," but who'd know what it was by that name?).

James


Posted by lborgia88 on 13-12-2009 at 14:05:

quote:
Originally posted by tatsunokofan
There's no reason to assume that there can't be an I.S.O. building in Utoland, only that we don't see a building designated as such.


Ah, that makes more sense to me, that Dr. Nambu could often be in Utoland, when he's shown in an ISO office. Utoland-to-Amegapolis does seem like a long commute, especially for a man who also needs to spend a lot of time at the Crescent Coral Base too.


quote:

I'd guess he uses the submarine-car thing from episode #84, at least some of the time (Which is officially called the "Small Transportation Mecha," but who's know what it was by that name?).


Maybe that's what Joe uses too, in episode 76, to get to the Crescent Coral Base after the rest of the Team has gone off in the God Phoenix (something I've often wondered about)?


Posted by tatsunokofan on 13-12-2009 at 19:23:

Hi all!

quote:
Utoland-to-Amegapolis does seem like a long commute, especially for a man who also needs to spend a lot of time at the Crescent Coral Base too.


I doubt that Nambu has to deal with a regular, Monday-thru-Friday, 9-to-5 workday commute. From the look of things, he does most of his work either at home or in Crescent Coral Reef, and goes to the I.S.O. Headquarters when he needs to. So, for him, not working in the same town as the HQ isn't a big deal.

James


Posted by Becky Rock on 13-12-2009 at 21:17:

I figured the team's separate places had to be close to each other in order to meet the Phoenix. When Ryu is at his place, how does he get to the Phoenix?

They explained it in the OAV as Ryu's shack being overtop the Phoenix's dock. There was never a mention of Crescent Coral base.

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 14-12-2009 at 00:38:

Hi all!

quote:
When Ryu is at his place, how does he get to the Phoenix?


They never explain that in the series. According to the map, the G-5 Hovercraft is stored in the water off of the yacht harbor, as indicated by the black dot on the map, but how he gets there without getting soaked every time is a mystery.

James


Posted by clouddancer on 14-12-2009 at 01:08:

Well that is easy, either his Bird Style acts as a wet suit, so he does not get wet, or when he transforms the "act" dries him. Big Grin


Sorry .... I am throwing out idle thoughts here.

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Posted by tatsunokofan on 14-12-2009 at 01:21:

Hi all!

quote:
when he transforms the "act" dries him.


It also whitens teeth, thickens hair, removes unwanted ear hair, and cures the gout! It's a miracle! (And can be yours for only 5 payments of $39.95 apiece) Wink2

Silly I want some! Sign me up!

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