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Posted by jublke on 16-11-2009 at 00:44:
Thanks for starting this thread, Becky. 
It's interesting to see how people have approached Jason's fate. I still need to go back through my unposted fic and decide if I want to alter how I have Jason react to things.
So, I have a different question to add. If we assume that Jason is ill at the end of the series, how would he handle it? Would he hide it until he nearly dies? Would he come right out and tell everyone? Would he selectively disclose his condition? Or would he, as I suspect, hide it for as long as he could without endangering the team?
Your thoughts are appreciated (although it make take me a while to find this thread again! I am still new over here and get lost easily. 
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Posted by clouddancer on 16-11-2009 at 01:25:
Jublke, just remember the threads title (Jason's Fate).... and then at the top of the Home page you should find a search area. Type in the title and .... it should show up, I hope along with other threads where the words Jason's fate appear. If they were used in other threads.
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Posted by amethyst on 16-11-2009 at 02:06:
I think from what we've seen he'd probably try to ignore or hide it until confronted about it.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 16-11-2009 at 02:52:
Or they could have skipped those episodes like they did so many. I wonder why they chose to not to?
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Posted by Becky Rock on 16-11-2009 at 22:09:
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I guess its up for grabs whether he may have already endangered the team by not showing up when they were facing the grape bomber. He really didn't hide what happened to him because Zark said he was suffering from stress and you can bet he told Anderson. How did Zark find out? Doesn't say. Maybe throught the implant?
Zark also stated in the Strike on Spectra that Jason had told him he was injured when he returned to the Phoenix.
Not much hiding of his problems going on.
I'm actually glad they didn't do the final episodes from Gatch in BotP, even if the censors would have allowed it. I would have been devastated if Jason had died when I was first watching the series.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 16-11-2009 at 23:47:
In American animation at the time, characters weren't supposed to die or suffer serious injury. It's amazing that the Sandy Frank people adapted episodes that showed people dying (and even admitted it, although not in so many words). There were plenty of episodes that could be rewritten so that people don't die, and they didn't use them.
In this forum is a thread, 'BOTP-izing', where I suggested people should write their own BOTP versions of unused Gatchaman episodes. My version is on ff dot net, and Gatchfanfic.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 17-11-2009 at 22:21:
Here you go, Becky. The correct BOTP viewing order. (I had also posted it in 'Episode of the Week', where the title disappeared.) The initial number is the viewing order. The number in <> is the episode number on the DVD and the Veoh site.
1. Attack of the Space Terrapin (Turtle King) <1>
2. Siege of the Squids (Little Gatchamans) <30>
3. Decoys of Doom (Snow Demon King Blizzarder) <53>
4. Mad New Ruler of Spectra (Who is Leader X?) <18>
5. Peril of the Preying Mantis (Jumbo Shakora, the Ocean Devil King) <64>
6. Giant From Planet Zyr (Hell’s Mecha-Buddha) <49>
7. The Thing With 1000 Eyes (The Fearsome Jellyfish Lens) <14>
8. Fastest Gun in the Galaxy (The Evil White Sea) <48>
9. Panic of the Peacock (Come Back! Boomerang) <68>
10. Raid of the Space Octopus (Mortal Blow! Gatchaman Fire) <56>
11. Space Rock Concert (Murder Music) <34>
12. Mammoth Shark Menace (The Daring Mini-Submarine) <47>
13. The Fiery Lava Giant (The Magma Giant, Emperor of Hell) <22>
14. Race Against Disaster (Galactor’s Witch Racer) <24>
15. A Whale Joins G-Force (Revenge! The Whale Operation.) <17>
16. Rescue of the Astronauts (Monstrous Aircraft Carrier Appears) <2>
17. Big Robot Gold Grab (The Great Mini Robot Operation) <6>
18. Musical Mummy (The Neon Giant That Smiles in the Dark) <21>
19. Attack of the Alien Wasp (The Phantom Red Impulse) <52>
20. The Space Safari (Pursue Katse!) <62>
21. Raid on a Nearby Planet (The Camera Iron Beast, Shutterkiller) <41>
22. The Ghostly Grasshopper (Kamisoral, the Guillotine Iron Beast) <25>
23. Space Rocket Escort (The Mysterious Red Impulse) <11>
24. Museum of Mystery (The Secret of the Birdstyles) <63>
25. Silent City (The Particle Iron Beast Micro-Saturn) <57>
26. Microfilm Mystery (The Indestructible Machine Mechanika) <15>
27. Mission to Inner Space (A Deadly Ring of Fire!) <69>
28. A Swarm of Robot Ants (The Great Underground Monster War) <10>
29. Cupid Does It to Keyop (Patogiller, the Triple Combined Iron Beast) <72>
30. Raid of the Red Scorpion (Gatchaman Burns With Rage) <46>
31. Spectra Space Spider (Smog Fiber, the Spiderweb Iron Beast!) <70>
32. Beast With a Sweet Tooth (The Gluttonous Monster Ibukron) <12>
33. Raid on Riga (Galactor’s Challenge) <37>
34. Prisoners in Space (The Great Breakout Trick Operation) <35>
35. Capture of the Galaxy Code (The Devil’s Airline) <40>
36. Orion, Wonder Dog of Space (Renzilla, the Electric Beast) <31>
37. Secret Island (Secret of the Monster Mecha Factory) <50>
38. The Jupiter Moon Menace (The Devil From the Moon) <9>
39. Seals of Sytron (The Sea Lion Ninja Team in the Night Fog) <38>
40. Ghost Ship of Planet Mir (The Ghost Fleet From Hell) <5>
41. The Alien Bigfoot (The Invincible Leader X) <60>
42. Super Space Spies (Galactor’s Monopoly Operation) <71>
43. Vacation on Venus (Storm Galactor’s Headquarters!) <80>
44. Keyop Does it All (The Fearsome Mechadokuga) <42>
45. Demons of the Desert (Burn, Desert Fires) <29>
46. The Space Serpent (Revenge on the Iron Beast Mechadegon) <4>
47. Rockets Out of Control (Leona 3, the Spaceship With No Tomorrow) <81>
48. The Space Mummy (Giant Mummy that Summons Storms) <3>
49. The Sea Dragon (The Firebird vs. the Fire-Breathing Dragon) <19>
50. Perilous Pleasure Cruise (The Fearsome Ice-Kander) <13>
51. G-Force in the Future (Gatchaman, 20 Years Later) <84>
52. The Awesome Armadillo (Matangar, the Armored Iron Beast) <75>
53. Tentacles From Space (Iron Beast Snake 82
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54. Ace From Outer Space (Galactor’s Giant Air Show) <7>
55. Giant Space Bat (Science Ninja Team, Number G-6) <51>
56. The Great Brain Robbery (Super Bem, the Synthetic Iron Beast) <55>
57. Giant Gila Monster (Gatchaman in the Valley of Death) <39>
58. The Duplicate King (The Successful Berg Katse) <66>
59. Curse of the Cuttlefish, Pt 1 (Gezora) <27>
60. Curse of the Cuttlefish, Pt 2 (Gezora) <28>
61. Peril in the Pyramids (The Cemetery in the Moonlight) <58>
62. Save the Space Colony (Counterattack! The Underground Torpedo Operation) <78>
63. Zoltar Strikes Out (Massacre of the Mecha Curve Ball) <54>
64. Magnetic Attraction (The Mecha-Ball Runs Wild) <20>
65. Peaks of Planet Odin (Cataroller, the Revolving Beast) <43>
66. G-Force Defector (Grape Bomber, the Spherical Iron Beast) <82>
67. Invasion of the Locusts (Swarm! A Plague of Mini Iron Beasts) <61>
68. Victims of the Hawk (A Romance Destroyed by Evil) <36>
69. Island of Fear (Lay a Trap in the Crescent Base!) <74>
70. Strike at Spectra (The Wounded G-2) <83>
71. The Galaxy Girls (The Plot to Assassinate Dr. Nambu) <26>
72. The Conway Tape Tap (The Sniper Group Heavy Cobra) <85>
73. The Awesome Ray Force (The Bracelets Exposed) <65>
74. Fearful Sea Anemone (Secret of the Crescent Coral Base) <8>
75. The Alien Beetles (The Grand Insect Operation) <16>
76. Defector to Spectra (The Stolen Gatchaman Information) <67>
77. The Bat Ray Bombers (The God Phoenix Reborn) <23>
78. Rage of the Robotoids (Death Girls Unite) <59>
79. The Sky is Falling! Pt. 1 (Red Impulse’s Secret) <44>
80. The Sky is Falling! Pt. 2 (Farewell Red Impulse) <45>
81. The Fierce Flowers, Pt. 1 (Jigokillers, the People-Eating Flowers) <32>
82. The Fierce Flowers, Pt. 2 (Jigokillers, the People-Eating Flowers) <33>
83. Charioteers of Changu (The Combined Ninjas, Giant Demon Man) <79>
84. Invasion of Space Center, Pt. 1 (Completion of the Plan to Destroy the Crescent Base) <76>
85. Invasion of Space Center, Pt. 2 (The End of the Crescent Base) <77>
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Posted by Becky Rock on 17-11-2009 at 23:06:
Thanks UW!
Many of the Gatch episodes don't really build on each other. Some do, but not most. I wonder if that was one of the reasons they didn't worry about following the Gatch order when they decided on the BotP order.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 18-11-2009 at 02:18:
Or they were concerned with their own version of things.
Recall that the big question of BotP was whether or not Zoltar might be female.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 18-11-2009 at 16:52:
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The main reason likely has more to do with the production keeping with the usual American standard of the time of not requiring stations to air episodes of syndicated series in a specific order. Shows like BotP had to be designed so that they could be run in any order and still make sense (With the obvious exception of the handful of 2-part stories, of course). By producing them randomly and making certain that each one was self-contained, they avoided any need for episodes to be run in a particular order.
If would also have been very difficult to make sure that the series aired in a "proper" order when it first hit the airwaves. Sandy Frank had a very limited number of film prints to pass around, and these prints were shared among a number of stations. Trying to coordinate that so that everyone aired them in a specific sequence would have been a nightmare.
It should also be remembered that BotP was still in production when the series started airing, so new episodes were getting thrown into the mix as they became available, which would have further confused matters if the were trying to get stations to air them in a set sequence.
That type of coordination is much easier now, what with satellite feeds and digital downloads of syndicated programs, but that type of technology didn't exist in 1978.
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That really only came up at the end of "The Alien Bigfoot," and wasn't really a concern in any other episodes. It had a greater impact on the fans who saw that episode than it did in the show itself.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 18-11-2009 at 22:38:
For some fans, it might have been the big question. The only way they could explain that long hair when the Luminous One showed up. (And I think my local UHF station cut those few seconds. Maybe because it also ran the 700 Club, and tended to blank out the words 'Luminous One/Spirit', and the one use of Allah.)
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Posted by Becky Rock on 19-11-2009 at 00:58:
I've got to go watch that episode again. I don't remember the BotP team's reaction.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 02-01-2010 at 00:28:
I was talking to my partner in crime, Trish, who is my co-conspirator on my Blood Line series, about trouble I was having writing the next chapters of Blood and Roses and something dawned on me.
Joe's demise was caused by one of four things: the rose bomb that killed his parents, saving the puppy, getting shot up on BC Island or something that happened that we never witnessed.
If you follow canon, Jason never had any of those things happen to him that we know of. If you base his future on that, so what happened to Joe can't happen to Jason.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 02-01-2010 at 09:17:
You're right, Becky! All the drama was lost and that's what separates Joe from Jason! Everything that has happened to Joe in his past is so fundamental in creating his character and its development during the other series that came next. IMO I totally treat the BOTP characters and those of Gatch as completely different persons!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 02-01-2010 at 17:32:
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Very true. I don't recall what explanation was given in BOTP episodes "G-Force Defector" and "Strike at Spectra" for Jason's health problems other than something along the lines of fatigue and stress. I guess, in fanfiction, it leaves the door open for an author to either downplay his symptoms in those episodes and let Jason continue on, healthy, or to turn them into some other more serious health problem with neurological implications (albeit different from Joe's brain damage from shrapnel/bullet fragments).
Lots of possibilities!
Posted by Madilayn on 03-01-2010 at 07:41:
In my "Generations" arc, I've attributed Jason's illness to a drug addiction.
It seemed to me that it would be very easy for one of the team to become addicted to drugs - especially something like pain killers, or even some sort of stimulant.
Jason seems to me that he would think that he could handle it - especially if he had been stressed and felt that he needed to be "there" for the team.
Let's face it - a lot of people who get addicted to prescription drugs or other performance enhancing drugs often start off with the best of intentions, and then just get hooked.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 03-01-2010 at 20:22:
I thought I'd read your fics, Maddy, but I don't remember Jason taking drugs. I'll have to go look them up again.
And you're right, Maddy and it doesn't even take perscription drugs for that to happen.
I have Rheumatoid Arthrits and suffer from migraines, the kind that knock you flat for hours or days. So far, I've not had to take RA meds, but I've tried various perscription drugs for the migraines.
When you're in that much pain, you don't care what you take as long as the pain goes away. You don't think about consequences or after affects. I've gone to the hospital before thinking the migraine was really a stroke or anyuerism.
None of the perscriptions helped. I tried biofeedback - not the kind Catherine Rees Lay uses in her AU for Jason, but using concentration and relaxing techniques. It was 50/50.
I started messing around with OTCs and found, of all things, Excedrin Migraine actually works for me. Its simply equivalent to a dose of Advil, Tylenol and a can of soda with caffeine, such as a Coke or Pepsi. Most doctors tell migraine sufferes to stay away from caffeine, which I had been, but the caffeine in the OTC helps me. Guess I'm just weird.
I was having a lot of migraines and found I was taking the Excedrin nearly every day. I found it kept the pain away but also had a side affect - it made me high as a kite. Anytime a had even a hint of the headache, I took the pills. If I was tired, which can cause a migraine, I took the pills.
At a regular Dr appt for my RA, my doc found my blood pressure was too high. She started questioning me and I disclosed the Excedrin use. She strongly urged me to stop taking it. In her opinion, I was addicted to it. Instead, I ended up on high blood pressure meds and have actually had less problems with the migraines, but now have to suffer through them more.
I've thought about putting that into a fic - Jason innocently taking it to alleviate the pain and getting hooked on it so that the team notices his acting strangely - bouncing off the walls, etc, but I haven't.
You also have to wonder what affect any kind of drug might have when interacting with their implants, if your fic includes the implants.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 05-01-2010 at 17:02:
In canon BOTP, Jason was just ill, but Zark assured us that he would be 'just fin'. And he was. No problem.
I've often thought that Jason's 'illness' might have been due to some kind of implant malfunction. This would explain why it just 'went away' (because the implant was repaired).
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Posted by Madilayn on 25-03-2010 at 06:25:
I was just re-reading this and somebody mentioned at the beginnig that Jason doesn't think about what woudl happen if he has to leae the team.
Actually, in the Don Wade episode when he's on the cliffs alone (just before Princess comes for him) he does think that - and it's clear that to him leaving the team would be the worst possible fate for him.
Zark puts it in that episode down to stress an in the Strike at Spectra his illness was directly attributed to a blow to the head. Howver, if that little fall he took did that much damage, then his helmet seriously needs work done to it.
To me - if the first incident was caused by stress, then the second it likely to be as well.
Jason is likely to try to deal with it by himself - however we see in the Don Wade episode Princess coming for him, ostensibly to get him, but clearly obviously hoping he'd open up to her.
In Raid on Spectra Mark sees the panel and is obviously worried, and then in the Conway Tape Trap we see him confronting Jason and asking what's wrong.
So, however Jason would try to hide, I think that Mark and Princess at least would be after him to talk it out.
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