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Posted by Transmute Jun on 28-12-2008 at 17:25:
I thought the same thing, James! Maybe Jun has learned a shrinking power as well.... 
Yul, love the Photoshopping! And your new avatar is very cute! 
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Posted by shamrokchick on 28-12-2008 at 18:06:
Nice photoshop pic!
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Posted by yul on 28-12-2008 at 20:09:
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No, I didn`t draw It, I made this avatar from this doujinshi .
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Posted by Springie on 28-12-2008 at 22:36:
I've been looking for her...that is quite a site! Some of those pics are pretty squicky- like the one with Jinpei and Jun...YIKES! I didn't see the one you used for your avatar though...
now if only they had some Ken or some Joe pics over there... 
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Posted by yul on 28-12-2008 at 23:17:
Actually, my avatar is from paying part of the comics, so
I don't know, if it is correct to upload it here 
If it`s ok, I`ll share.
And there aren`t any pics with Ken or Joe 
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Posted by lborgia88 on 28-12-2008 at 23:48:
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It strikes me as a bit odd too, but I was thinking it might be a variety of art stylization common to newer anime?
Yul, your image of Ken holding the Colgate is great! The toothpaste makers really need to use him in their advertisements!
Posted by Cain Highwind on 29-12-2008 at 05:23:
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Yeah I noticed that too. There's some really weird perspective shots in this scene like this one
My, Jun, what big feet you have. I'm pretty sure it's the guy flying into the foreground while Jun's still spinning in the background. It's budget animation, it's cheap but gets the job done (try watching Karas and then his ending in TvC). I like how clean the older characters look, KINDA like Ken's Yatterman 08 appearance but not as rough, where he looks straight out of the original cartoon.
And awesome yul, just awesome!
I just unlocked this pic as an extra the other night.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/651/28zo0.jpg
I didn't know who did it at the time, but it's actually Tatsunoko co-founder and Gatchaman producer Ippei Kuri.
Oh and maybe some like James can help with this, but I mentioned Doronjo's alternate color makes her look like Berg Katse, I noticed her henchman Boyakki and Tonzura have different colors as well. Boyakki's clothes are a dirty green like a Galactor soldier uniform, but Tonzura's kind of a dark red color, and I was just wondering if there were any Galactor agents who wore red or if I'm just looking too much into it.
Posted by Cain Highwind on 29-12-2008 at 05:32:
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Yeah you'd think, it's in his name, Gold Lightan does in his animated ending.
And speaking of Ken and Street Fighter moves, it's really funny to fool young people when they ask "Is Ken in the game?" They naturally mean Ken Masters from Street Fighter, but we say "Yeah of course he is, he's on the cover?" "wut? I don't see him, I just see Ryu?" xD. No joke.
But yeah I was kinda expecting there to be a cool "trading places" crossover ending with Ryu taking on Galactor and Ken and the team taking on Shadowloo. Maybe for the sequel they'll add more villains (as there are a lot listed in their early roster list.
Posted by tatsunokofan on 29-12-2008 at 22:52:
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Well, there was Blacky, a Gallactor in Gatchaman #42 who wore a red version of the standard Gallactor uniform.
While more orange than red, there was a similarly colored Gallactor who appeared in Gatchaman II #30.
Regardless, I suspect that you're simply reading too much into it.
James
Posted by lborgia88 on 30-12-2008 at 00:48:
I've always wondered why the Galactor goon that captured Joe in ep. 103, when he was driving at the track, and who later shot him at Karakoram, was wearing a blue uniform instead of the usual green one. Perhaps to imply that he was somehow of a higher rank (and skills)? I'd like to think that an ordinary, bumbling goon wouldn't have a chance against Joe (even if Joe was in really bad health by that point)!
Posted by tatsunokofan on 30-12-2008 at 03:23:
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That Gallactor was a Chief (And is referred to as such in the episode itself), not an average Gallactor member, hence the different color uniform.
James
Posted by lborgia88 on 30-12-2008 at 15:17:
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That must be what gave me the notion that he was a higher rank.
I was just rewatching a bit of episode 50, the Trachodon episode, because I remembered that in it, a goon refers to earning medals to rise in rank. In this ep, he says he's already received 15 medals and will be a "Commander" if he gets five more.
It's here, at 5.04.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmCKxZqnoAQ
I just did some looking, and found where you discussed the ranking system, in the "Mechas and Captains" thread back in September.
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"The specific titles used for Gallactor ranks do not correlate to any actual ranking system I have found, Japanese or otherwise.
In the ranking system used by the U.S. Navy, a Commander is lower ranked than a Captain. Unfortunately, the kanji used by the Japanese for those same U.S. Navy ranks are not the same as used by Gallactor Commanders and Captains. So, while part of me leans toward using our ranking system, since it uses both Commander and Captain, this may not have been the intent of Tatsunoko (Assuming they had any intent at all regarding these ranks).
The Commanding Captain might provide us with the best clue as to which one is higher ranked. It is traditional within our ranking system to add a lower ranking suffix to a rank to indicate divisions within a rank level (Lieutenant Colonel being lower ranked than a Colonel, for example). The Japanese military handles this slightly differently, adding kanji for "small," "medium," and "large" or "3," "2", and "1" as a suffix to ranks to designate where on the ladder of a particular rank someone is positioned, but the intent seems to be similar.
By that logic, a Gallactor Commanding Captain would likely be a step between a Commander and a Captain, where one is higher ranked than a Commander, but not as highly ranked as a Captain. I'll admit that this is speculate on my part, but assuming Tatsunoko intended to follow the traditions of military ranking, I would guess that the Captain would outrank the Commander.
Assuming that is correct, the levels of known Gallactor ranks would go as follows:
Governor (X)
Leader (Katse)
Captain
Commanding Captain
Commander
Chief
Member
The rank of Vice Governor briefly existed between Governor and Leader, but pretty much in name only. This was the rank given to Dr. Henjinman in Gatchaman #21 , and was used mostly to trick the Doctor into creating cyborg horses for Gallactor. Once Henjinman's usefulness to Gallactor was finished, both he and his rank were eliminated."
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Perhaps the goon in episode 50 should have had a blue uniform too, although that idea may have only come much later in the series.
Posted by tatsunokofan on 30-12-2008 at 18:47:
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An example which, once again, shows why you should never use the ADV English dub of the series for reference. In the Japanese language version (As accurately reflected in the subtitled version of the ADV discs), that Gallactor says that, once he gets five more medals, he'll be promoted to Captain, not Commander.
Now, doe this mean that he's already a Commander and hopes to be promoted to Captain? Perhaps, or perhaps he's just figuring on skipping Commander and going straight to Captain. The Chief in #103 believes that getting Joe will get him a promotion to Captain, with no mention of Commander, so perhaps Commander is supposed to be higher ranked than Captain within Gallactor ranks. Unfortunately, Commanders and Commanding Captains appear so infrequently in the series, it's difficult to get a true sense of what was actually intended for the rank system used by Gallactor. Assuming there was ever any thought given to it at all!
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Again, sadly, we really don't have enough reference examples to say with any certainty exactly what, if anything, the different color Gallactor uniforms are supposed to represent.
From a production standpoint, their meaning is obvious; the different color uniforms are meant to help the viewer easily identify a specific guest character from amid a sea of Gallactor troops. That would explain why, in episode #42, Blacky had a red uniform, Ale Capon had a yellow uniform, Jim had a dark blue uniform, and Ryu wore a uniform with no eye covering, as well as why the Chief in #103 had a blue uniform.
So, to say that a specific color uniform means a specific rank is like saying that all Gallactor Captains wore outrageous uniforms (They didn't, believe it or not. The Captain in episode #74 wore a standard Gallactor uniform, and the three Captains seen in episode #'s 46 and 89 all wore variations of the standard Gallactor uniform). It screams out as something to be analyzed and nailed down, but there are too many unexplained variables to make a defiinite conclusion.
It's almost enough to make one think that Tatsunoko was making this stuff up as they went along...
James
Posted by lborgia88 on 30-12-2008 at 20:22:
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Duly noted. I've watched many episodes (usually my favourites) with both the dub and the sub, and I've noticed on occasion that the two differed, but I can't think what reason ADV would have for not using "captain" in the dub unless they wanted the extra syllable of "commander" in there to match the mouth movements better, or someone was careless.
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Gasp! Really? I'm shocked!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 30-12-2008 at 21:24:
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To go somewhat OT, I'm pretty convinced that this is why they have Ken shout 'Galactor!' instead of 'Jun!' as the flowers burn at the end of the first Jigokillers ep. If you watch, his mouth moves enough to look like he's forming more than one syllable.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 30-12-2008 at 23:54:
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That would make sense. If I recall, there are episodes where Joe says "damn it!" in the dub, but it's "shit!" in the subtitles (and "kuso" in the original Japanese). In those cases, I only thought that they were trying to keep the dub more G-rated, figuring young children would be less likely to be reading subtitles, but maybe it was the mouth movement issue too!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 31-12-2008 at 00:31:
I don't know about being G-rated. There's one ep (can't remember which one but I'm sure James knows. ) where Katse loses and he sits down and bangs on the console yelling "Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit! Shit!" etc. etc. about 30 times. And just today I was going through ep 44, and Joe bursts out with "Are you shittin' me?"
Of course, if I were being told that *I* had to train with the Red Impulse Team, I'd probably be swearing too.
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Posted by Hinotori on 31-12-2008 at 00:59:
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To go just a little further OT (while staying a bit on-topic...)
That didn't seem to matter too much to Sandy Frank and crew. In Fierce Flowers, Mark practically whispers "Princess", but it's pretty clear from the animation that the Eagle wasn't just whispering her name.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 31-12-2008 at 03:05:
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Oh, I remember that! I watched that episode with my nephew and I still remember the look of "did Joe really just say that?" glee that appeared on his face. I'd forgotten what episode that was in.
As for Katse, I hope someone can remember what episode that is in.
Posted by Cain Highwind on 31-12-2008 at 04:02:
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Heh I noticed that too. Great episode, but I haven't watched it on the ADV disc yet, which Episode # is it in the original?
On a related, more on-topic note, the announcer for the game uses different adjectives based on how many hits you do in a combo. A lot of these are from other Capcom fighters (YES! MONSTER! VERY GOOD! VIEWTIFUL!) I haven't been able to do it myself (I'm okay at fighters, I love them, but I'm not the best at them), but they use "GALACTIC!" (Galactor?) and "TATSUNICAL!" for some of the higher hit counts.
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