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Posted by Condorfan on 23-10-2008 at 23:31:
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If it isn't it should be! TJ you've done a great job on ER as per your usual standard of excellence! I love how you worked the humor in.
There's a question that has been puzzling me. Why wasn't ER released as further adventures of BOTP or G-Force? People would have certainly been more familiar with either of those shows.
BTW Welcome back Amy!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 01:21:
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I'm sure James could give you a better answer, but I'll take a stab in the dark at this one.
Eagle Riders was done by Saban. BOTP was still owned by Sandy Frank at the time, and G-Force by someone else. (I'm fuzzy on who owned G-Force and I think Sandy Frank was somehow involved in there too...)
So my guess is, they simply didn't have the rights to use BOTP or G-Force names. Also, they would have had to explain how/why Joe/Jason/Dirk was 'missing' at the beginning of the series.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 24-10-2008 at 03:59:
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That, pretty much, is the answer. The rights for BotP, G-Force, and all related characters were held by Sandy Frank (As the rightsholder for Gatchaman outside of Japan, Sandy Frank always had a hand in the rights for G-Force, but his direct involvement in the series initially was pretty much limited to getting a share of any merchandising, the option to sell the series outside of the U.S., and the ability to sell the series to home video domestically. Domestic TV distribution and merchandising rights (Outside of Sandy Frank's cut) were first held by Turner Program Services, but by the early 1990s they had sold them to the Hearst Corporation. By the mid-1990s, Hearst's rights for the show expired, and all domestic rights reverted to Sandy Frank. Sandy Frank has held all rights to G-Force and its characters ever since).
For Saban to have advertised the show as the "further adventures of BOTP or G-Force," or to have used any of the character names involved with either of those two shows, they would have had to license them from Sandy Frank. Not wanting to do this, Saban simply ignored that BotP and G-Force ever existed.
James
Posted by lborgia88 on 24-10-2008 at 12:51:
Yikes, now I'm actually imagining Gatch II, given the "BOTP conversion." Yes, they would have had to explain why Jason was missing in the first few episodes (Quit the team in a fit of "hot-headed" pique after ep. 85, and then went missing?)
I guess they could have said that Gel Sadra was actually Mala, having ousted her brother from power on Spectra in a coup, and now wearing a new, masked uniform.
It could have been explained that Zark had requested a transfer to Pluto, to be with Susan, and his duties were being taken over by the new God Phoenix's robot autopilot.
So many possibilities!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 13:35:
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Oh, LB, you're scaring me! It all fits so well!
I think that the robot piloting the new Phoenix would actually be 8-Zark-8 (or perhaps 9-Zark-9). Just think ! Zark's child/grandchild would be living out his predecessor's dream to actually go on missions with the G-Force team!
I wonder if there would have to be a Ready Room in Gateway City? Or would it be 'Center Poseidon'? Would they bring over the old ping pong table?
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Posted by shamrokchick on 24-10-2008 at 13:45:
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Oh god, not more zarks!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 14:02:
You know, I was also thinking... what about Pandora? If she's Mala's mother, then she's also Zoltar's mother... is she really a Spectran defector? Or maybe just an Earth Scientist who interacted with Mala and developed a psychic connection with her...
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Posted by amyltrer on 24-10-2008 at 15:54:
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They have Jun's Snack for that! Of course with Zark huffing around saying : Kids, the beverages they drink are carrot juice with lot of vitamins bla bla bla....
And the Luminous one decided to have a new look!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-10-2008 at 16:29:
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Hmm, maybe as Mala's half Spectran/half Earthling sister? That would explain why Dr. Pandora looks the same age as Mala.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 19:32:
Not bad, LB... I think we should try and get the rights from Sandy Frank to do this....
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Posted by lborgia88 on 24-10-2008 at 21:34:
I've got it now -it can be written into the storyline that it's an age-old Spectran tradition to have a sibling as a junior co-ruler, which is what Mala was to Zoltar. Now that she's ousted him and seized power for herself, she needs to track down and recruit her long-lost half sister on Earth, in order to both satisfy the Luminous One, and cement her rule over the Spectrans. And, um, let's see, it can be said that Spectran siblings can communicate telepathically, but because Dr. Pandora is only half-Spectran, the link is there but it's weaker.
I'm thinking about this way too much!
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It could be fun to a fic that involved re-writing a Gatch II episode to be a "BOTP II" episode... No, wait -I have to finish my current fic first!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 22:04:
Oh LB... you may have something there... must not think about it... too involved in current fic....
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Posted by Hinotori on 24-10-2008 at 22:17:
Keep going, girls!!! 
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-10-2008 at 22:38:
Okay, okay!
It's in my Fic Ideas file.
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Posted by clouddancer on 24-10-2008 at 22:48:
How long is that file now TJ?
What is it, take one off the top and add 5 more to the bottom?
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Posted by trideegurl2 on 24-10-2008 at 23:06:
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Posted by Condorfan on 25-10-2008 at 00:11:
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Thanks for the help James and TJ! Who owns BOTP now? I thought Sandy Frank's rights had expired a few years ago.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 25-10-2008 at 00:40:
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You know, maybe I will actually get to it first...
Posted by tatsunokofan on 25-10-2008 at 00:51:
Hi all!
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Sandy Frank still owns Battle of the Planets, lock, stock, an barrel. The name, the charcters, and anything that was added to the show when it was brought to the U.S. are Sandy Frank creations and belong to him. The same holds true for G-Force.
What you're thinking about are the rights to Gatchaman. From what I heard last, which was from just a couple of months ago, Sandy Frank was still in negotiations with Tatsunoko to get an extension on his contract for the non-Japanese rights to the series.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 25-10-2008 at 00:56:
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Something like that... I get ideas faster than I can write the stories. But at least I know that if the ideas ever dry up, I will have a source!
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