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Posted by tatsunokofan on 20-09-2008 at 09:26:
Hi all!
I hope that you also stress that, despite popular belief, not everything can be found on the internet, and that the more traditional methods of researching a subject can sometimes be far superior to what they can find online.
James
Posted by Metaliant on 20-09-2008 at 14:10:
Both of you, James and CD are correct that whenever you do research, whether it's on the internet or by books or both, that there may be stuff that can be wrong.
I have found when I read couple of books on a subject, that there are 2 versions or they say similar things but couple of items are slightly different.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 20-09-2008 at 14:55:
I actually think that far too many students aren't putting in enough library time these days, and rely too much on the internet, where accuracy is difficult to evaluate or question, but even I have caved in to the lure of online ease...
I researched and wrote my dissertation entirely without the internet, till near the end when it became necessary, for reasons I won't get into, to compare certain accounts in multiple editions of Foxe's Book of Martyrs. The university library had them on microfilm, which is tedious to work with, especially when you're trying to find a small, specific passage in a book that's more than a thousand pages (and in 16th century font), but then I learned that a respected historian was overseeing a project to put all editions of Foxe online, with a search engine built in.
I was a little nervous citing an online source in my dissertation, but never heard any complaints from my committee, and a couple weeks after my defense, I got an email from one committee member, the chair of the English dept., asking me for the website's link, so that he could use it too.
http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/johnfoxe/index.html
(if anyone's curious)
Posted by shamrokchick on 20-09-2008 at 18:06:
lborgia88 you're right... it's so easy to just research on the internet than go into a library... A lot of students never use the library these days...
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Posted by Condorfan on 21-09-2008 at 01:36:
I agree the internet certainly has its uses but too many students are using it as crutch. They need not to rely so much on technology and learn to do research from books.
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Posted by clouddancer on 21-09-2008 at 01:54:
Actually I see technology the way things are headed.
In the future people may not be using paper books any more - Information will be accessible on the internet, and we will do our learning from computers instead of from books.
Cloud does not look forward to a time when teachers are replaced by computers. But I suspect that will not happen during my teaching career, unless we make huge advancements in the next 10-15 years.
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Posted by Barrdwing on 21-09-2008 at 06:25:
I'd much rather go to a library for research than look on-line. I've had more fun wandering the "stacks", and usually found something really neat and unexpected hiding in there. I could blow four hours at the library without any trouble at all, just browsing. Got some fun ideas and fact nuggets for fic doing that, too. Searching on-line, the search is too directional. You aren't going to have the fun of stumbling across something completely unrelated and fascinating sitting on a shelf next to the book you were after.
Posted by lborgia88 on 21-09-2008 at 07:00:
Heh, I have happy memories of being sidetracked in university ibrary stacks, perusing books that had nothing to do with what I was supposed to be looking for, except that they were interesting. In high school, at the local public library, I once grabbed a what I thought were all Ellis Peters' "Brother Cadfael" mysteries, but once I was home I realized that one was actually by Elizabeth Peters, an author then unknown to me, but I read it anyway, and she became one of my favourite authors -and this never would have happened online.
Posted by Metaliant on 21-09-2008 at 08:35:
That's why I tend to look carefully at the name of the authors before buying a book.
Must admit, I don't go to the library as much as I did at school or at college. Did go to the Walsall Library to get videos but now I rent DVDs online.
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Posted by Hinotori on 21-09-2008 at 15:07:
Most of you here already know this, but for our newer friends, I'm a former library-person (not a librarian, though, since I don't have my MLS or MLIS. But I've done enough that I consider myself ABGS <All But Grad School>
So if I end up going off on a tangent, you'll know why!
Unfortunately, research and the library is becoming a lost art form, to the point that alot of local libraries are closing their doors due to budget cuts and decreases in their circulation/patron counts. For me, I've always loved the written word, and even before I started working in libraries, like many of you, I could be lost in the stacks for hours just perusing the titles. The worlds all those works of literature (fiction and non-fiction) opened for me was, and to this day still is, amazing. You really can go anywhere and do anything within the pages of a book.
With the research aspect, a few of you already know me and what I'm like when it comes to research... I love researching. It's almost like a sick past-time for me. And although I have to admit that most of my research is now done online, I do still go to the library and research there too. Though, sadly, most of my research there now happens only when I'm stopping in to drop off/pick up another book to read. But I still love walking through the reference section, picking up a book, hearing the flop of the pages opening and getting that smell of "old paper". I'd say "what a rush", but then you all would think I was insane (not that you probably don't think that already!).
But research... Gotta love it. I worked in the Interlibrary Loan department at my last library job, and I have to say that was by far my favorite department to work in. It was basically all research... Finding the books needed, the articles requested, and the one page needed in a dissertation.... Ah, yes! For me, it was like a treasure hunt. And the reward was when that book that only one library owned, showed up on my desk and I was able to give it to the poor soul who's entire thesis rested on that one page of info. Sweet victory!
Of course even ILL has changed immensely over the past few years... Almost everything now is electronic... If you can find out exactly which pages are needed out of the book, you'll receive those via email rather than the entire book being shipped. Of course most of this has to do with financial reasons, but even there, technology has changed the face of the artform. But this is what progress is all about, right? Move out the old to make room for the new. Unfortunately, that leads to the problem of people today not even knowing how to use a card catalog system...
Ok, I'm done. I could sit here all day and write about this, but I'm sure everyone here has other things they need to do! 
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Posted by shamrokchick on 21-09-2008 at 16:34:
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Lol... I don't think teachers will ever be replaced by computers
Although I can say, I'm an undergrad right now, and I'm sick of these teachers who only use powerpoint... They go through stuff too fast and tend to skip over a lot of information they want you to know... As far as the library goes, a lot of books are being scanned into electronic format such as .pdf files, I know I had to download a lot of older research papers and such for English, so this saved me a lot of time instead of having to copy every page I needed. But when it comes to my family tree research, nothing is better than going into the library. I just think it's cool to flip through the old books and see the original copy and handwriting
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 21-09-2008 at 17:33:
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I don't blame you, Shamrokchick! I always hated that too. And overheads? Don't get me started...
As for me, I'm old school. When I teach, it's paper handouts and writing on the whiteboard all the way... I think they call me a 'ludite', but my students like it a lot.
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Posted by Tengu on 21-09-2008 at 17:45:
I find that most research on the internet directs you to a book anyway.
They (after 30 years in a portacabin) are building a new central library in town, and they are buying books (I know you will be shocked)
I have a friends whos an archaelogist and she says a lot of data isnt accesable, never been written up, she was talking about the selkie (as in my fic `Tinys journey`) and said theres been a lot of interesting artifacts and more to the point, genetic studies of islanders now. (I didnt realise this, though I was well aware of the theory)
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Posted by shamrokchick on 22-09-2008 at 01:17:
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I can't remember the last time I saw overheads...
I love old school way... I learn best from some one writing on a chalkboard/whiteboard...
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Posted by clouddancer on 22-09-2008 at 01:23:
I learn best from doing... I am a hands on learner ... my next best method is by reading.
I never did well at university when I was being lectured to, I never retained the information being given. Write it down or show me pictures, the sillier the better, and I do much better. 
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Posted by lborgia88 on 22-09-2008 at 02:34:
Nearly all the history profs I worked for as a teaching assistant in grad school, or took classes with as an undergrad, just lectured, and wrote the occasional hard-to-spell term on the blackboard. Lecture style teaching worked for me, which is, I think, a big reason why I switched from majoring in Chemistry to majoring in history. Hands on, not so good for me -as an undergrad, I managed to start a small fire in the Organic Chem lab (didn't seal some glass tubing correctly, gaseous xylene leaked out, the bunsen burner was too close, the vigreux column was wrapped in glass wool, which does, in fact, burn...) This probably also explains why I'm a crappy cook.
I've kept nearly all my class notes for all the history courses I've taken, and about a year ago I was digging through the two big boxes I keep them in, and I had to laugh at my notes from my first year as a history major -my handwriting was so careful and neat. Later, it turned into a hasty scrawl, filled with my own abbreviations, that would make sense to no one but me. I could even tell which lectures I'd clearly been having trouble staying awake in, as my writing kept trailing off in little downward slides...
Posted by Barrdwing on 22-09-2008 at 04:54:
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I remember one GE course I took in undergrad where the professor was blind. Needless to say, he didn't write on the board or use overheads! He spoke, rather quickly, and entirely from memory. Fortunately he had excellent speaking skills and was a great teacher. But there were days I could barely write fast enough to keep up with that guy!
Posted by clouddancer on 22-09-2008 at 21:29:
Now you know why I did so well at teachers college, where 90% of our lessons were in the classroom, or hands on.
Come to think of it, this is probably also why I do much better with primary children than junior or intermediate. I think, in terms of learning by using something (a manipulative), instead of doing paper and pencil seat work all the time, the only time I bring out the paper work is when I need something to show parents for marks, and of course for writing. But in Grade one we can draw a picture first and then write about what we have drawn.. 
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