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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 06-05-2008 at 18:01:
Now you see the ISO was trying to do something about that...and the Galactor can along....
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Posted by Metaliant on 06-05-2008 at 18:06:
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Unfortuantely for us British, it seems that we will buy our gas and electircity from Russia or some place else.
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Posted by Guy on 07-05-2008 at 01:00:
And the website just failed and deleted all my typing so here's a summary because I'm lazy -
I'm in AU, out $ is nearly 1:1 with the US $, but our games still cost $120, and US games still gost $50. The answer is not piracy. A pirated copy doesn't go towards a sales figure that says 'this country has a market for this stuff', an imported copy does, but it says 'these people refuse to pay obscenely inflated prices for this stuff'. Pirates make the interested market look smaller than it is, so companies are less likely to try their luck getting sales. Try importing.
Piracy of videogames is rampant. How else would companies actually be dying? I know only two people other than myself that actually buy games.
I don't care about piracy due to ignorance - that's due to ignorance not an actual concious moral choice to rip someone off. The law should be taught in school/whatever to show people that they're actually breaking the law.
Why the hell do people go to asia to buy pirated junk? If you're going to break the law, at least do it for free. Considering the number of free illegal downloads of things... And all that luggage space could be filled with actual cool stuff.
High end clothing is for people with high end paychecks, there's a huge range of clothing for people with low end paychecks, and you don't even need to look at pirated stuff your entire life to have good clothing that looks good.
The try before you buy thing is easy to solve, many games/softwares have demos, and even more of them have internet sites dedicated to reviews. If you think you might not like something go look up a few reviews or d/l the demo version.
Cooking oil is a renewable resource so it doesn't matter how much pollution it puts out being burned - it will make a net pollution of 0. The tree absorbs carbon to bear fruits, the fruits are made into oil, the oil is burned, carbon is released, the tree absorbs carbon to make fruits etc. This is why the amazon deforestation is so damn bad - they're burning it, not just cutting it down. If it were just cut down then all the carbon would stay in the wood, but being burned releases it all.
I think I remembered everything.
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Posted by meridianday on 07-05-2008 at 09:31:
I don't possess any pirated games. I do possess the Hong Kong bootlegs of Gatchaman, since those were the only available subtitled Gatchaman at the time - now I have all the ADV ones as well (and I do appreciate their better grammar lol), and I also have a pirated copy of Tonari no Totoro that I didn't know was pirated until it arrived - I thought I'd bought legit.
I dislike piracy. The makers of my husband's favourite game went bust, no idea whether that was due to piracy or not. Can't remember the name of the game or company to check. One of my daughter's friends' parents has recently told me about a shop selling DS games copied onto a R4 (or whatever it is) for a bargain price, I won't be going for that. I have a neighbour who produces pirated movie DVDs, I know from that how bad the quality is, and I also know that he isn't in any sort of mafia ring or anything like that although the business of pirating is clearly very organised.
However, I do own 1 pirated item of software - Dreamweaver. I have looked at buying it, and baulked at the price every time. Shock, horror! They must have lost so many sales by pricing their software so high. We have a legal copy where I work, but all the people I know who have it, have cracked versions. Think of all the people who have that software, or the Flash / Shockware development environments, who might have actually paid for it if it was a reaasonable price.
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Couple of co-workers downloaded TV programmes, films and music via the 'net by the Torrent sites and couple of times ahve boughted copies or pirated DVDs from couple of delivery drivers who by the sounds of it aren't terrorists or mafia.
I have also bought couple of songs from the 'net though through MSN music but stopped as couple of songs I have bought weren't downloaded for whatever reason.
I don't really go for pirate stuff but if someone can copy a TV programme or CD for me (which is rare) then I think is alright because I have always bought the original stuff.
As for games and DVDs, I rent both out, games from Blockbusters and DVDs from Amazon and sometimes Blockbusters.
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Posted by Guy on 07-05-2008 at 22:59:
The problem with financing criminals by buying pirated stuff isn't financing the mafia or whatever, it's financing criminals. It is a crime to pirate things. You are giving a criminal the hard earned money the developers or whatever should be recieving.
Dreamweaver and photoshop are both pretty big victims of piracy. I honestly don't know anyone who owns a copy, but I sure do know a few people who use it. Hell, in all honesty there are probably more pirated copies of photoshop than there are legit copies.
The thing is that all those people could be buying the programs designed for unprofessional home use, or using freeware. I'm running an excellent program, with all the same functions as photoshop and a few more, which is freeware. I found it because I was looking for an alternative to photoshop with the multiply function, 'cos I sure as hell can't afford photoshop.
I never bothered to buy microsoft word because it's unreliable, and I honestly think it should come bundled with windows instead of the trashy word processor that comes with it. Instead I found me a more reliable, equally functional freeware program.
Oh, and I hate those webdesign programs, I've trialed a few, and they suck! I hate the way the code comes out at the end, all messy and ugly and full of all kinds of unneccesary junk. So I code in notepad. Then again I never have to make crazy ambitious websites, just basic ones for information or display. But I'm sure you could find a decent freeware program if you tried.
See, now they're losing sales due to lack of value for money and lack of stability/functionality, and you're not committing a crime. Fancy huh?
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Posted by amyltrer on 08-05-2008 at 11:19:
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Photoshop allows a free trial version that would run for 30 days! Now istead buying the license after that time, you can des-install it and reinstall it from it's kit or downloading it again!
They say you're allowed to have PS for free for 30 days, but doesn't say how many times you can do that! So it's not piracy!
Then there's Youtube! I saw whole movies on it! Why buy a ticket/DVD when I can see them for free? Not to mention all videos! Many of them are posted by the the disc recording offices! Are you going to say YT is illegal? So? Sue them! It's not like they'll going to close the site any soon!
Now Guy I don't understand why are you keeping up with all this piracy ranting! To tell us it's bad? That makes companies to go bankrupt and people to lose jobs? Everybody knows that!
Now let's talk about the other side of the problem! About company who sell defect unusable products at incredibly high prices and will not refund you even if you prove you're right. It's not a flucke here to buy a DVD and find out it's defect or incompatible , even if it said otherwise on it's case?
If those companies will go bankrupt because of piracy, then so be it. As for the employees, they get misery pays no matter of how big would be the company's profits!!!
At least that's how thing are in my country, where piracy is up to 95% from the market! See, you're not the only one who deal with it!
Oh, and my Father works as a program developper
in a small IT enterprise, so you can say piracy affects my family directly!
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Posted by Metaliant on 08-05-2008 at 15:50:
That's a good point about YouTube Amy, I have also watched whole films and TV serieses on YouTbe.
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Posted by amyltrer on 09-05-2008 at 19:03:
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And that doesn't make you a pirate, does it?
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Posted by Metaliant on 09-05-2008 at 21:42:
Unless I have a cool eye-patch, talking parrot and a wooden leg and go "Ho, ho and bottle of rum."
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Posted by Guy on 10-05-2008 at 05:28:
Uh, actually amyltrer, that either means the film was released for free, under something like a creative commons license, or the person who uploaded it was uploading it illegally as a breach of youtube's anti-piracy policy, and the video will be deleted and the user banned once youtube's mods get around to it.
Exploiting the 30 day trial thing is also not legal, you get a free 30 day trial, not a 60 or 90 day trial. It's only free for 30 days, further than that and if the company discovers what you're doing they can take you to court.
If a company is selling defective products it is a legal requirement that they replace the product or refund your money. If you buy a product that isn't compatible with your system/whatever by accident, it's up to their good will, but if it actually says that the product should be compatible, then they are required to refund or replace the item.
I don't get why I'm a bad person for saying crime is bad. I don't get why people would defend it. If you don't think a product is worth the money the company is asking for it, why don't you buy a cheaper and legal product from someone else instead of becoming a criminal?
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Also, the youtube thing you mentioned makes me unsure that you understand piracy - you can release movies and music for free. Same with games and whatever. For free distribution. Free. Legally free. If it's on youtube it doesn't mean it's legal, but if it is legally on youtube, no, watching it doesn't make you a pirate, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with this argument.
The argument is about illegally copying products whether to sell or distribute for free. So illegal torrents, illegal downloads, bootleg copies of movies and CDs, whatever.
This is not about paying for things if you can legally get them for free. This is not about being forced to pay for freeware, or things released under creative commons or whatever. If it's legal, then I don't see how it has anything to do with piracy, or anything to do with this argument.
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Posted by amyltrer on 10-05-2008 at 09:36:
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Well, since the video's were posted 1 year ago I guess it's under free license, otherwise the mods would have had enough time to delete it!
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Yep, I know it's illegal, but I doubt they could find me. The demo kit exploiting is one easy trick to get Adobe PS for free. And it doesn't even need extra downloads. All you have to do is des-install the old one and install it again.
Anyway, I'm not using PS because I find it hard to work with. Instead I use Paint.Dot.Net which is a free software.
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This is what they SHOULD do! But they hardly even respect that clause. Here, if you have bought something defect, you won't get your money back!
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I'm not saying you're a bad person, nor I am defending piracy. But I dubt all this protest will ever stop a pirate.
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The legality of it depends on the laws each country has vis-a-vis of piracy. Right now my contry has almost no law to pervent such things, let alone means of tracking the pirates, so here you can do pretty much what you want. Most of people who download music & movies&games from torrents have no idea they're doing something illegal.
The point is, no matter how advanced anti pirating measures the IT companies will encript on their softwares, pirates will always be 2 steps ahead!
After all, what's the point to buy something when you can get it for free? As long as people will think this way (and a lot do) piracy will never be rid of!
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Posted by Guy on 11-05-2008 at 22:14:
Actually, the problem isn't 'if I can get if for free...' because if that was the only thing they thought they would be using freeware, and only watching tv/listening to the radio, not committing crimes (except in the case of ignorance, which is NOT part of this argument, and the way to solve that is via education on the behalf of the companies envolved and the government, obviously your government doesn't care or there would be more laws and they would be enforced)
The problem is that people think in childish terms when it comes to moral choices. They think 'if I can do it and get away with it, then I don't see why I shouldn't do it', and that's an even stronger thought if the person can commit the crime with ease. The people I'm arguing against are people who know it's wrong and do it anyway, because it's easy and they don't think they will get caught.
If they are caught very few of them will actually think of themselves as the bad person either - even though they committed the crime, not the judge/jury/etc. They will selfishly ignore all around them to preserve their own personal self image. In their mind they will be the victim. Not the hundreds of people they helped put out of work.
This is why piracy is such a tough topic for many people to face, because it forces them to think of themself as a criminal. This is why people are reacting to my post with emotion rather than logic. People don't like to think of themself as the bad guy, only as the hero(ine).
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Posted by amyltrer on 12-05-2008 at 18:19:
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So true.....anyway I guess I'm the last one who should comment this, given the fact I'm still downloading stuff from torrents! But I'm doing it only for me, not selling them for profit!
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