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Posted by Ashke on 01-05-2004 at 16:04:
Supposedly a bot can post 300 times a minute, but I am assuming that would be 300 different sites. However, it is a bit of a nusiance to log on and have an ad with two blonde dimbos "playing" with each other pop up.
Posted by Cep on 01-05-2004 at 16:16:
Bots attack a site by going from form to form looking for the registration, then they apply to the registration by creating bogus email accounts on the server they are launched from.
The current registration system requires you to respond to the two activation notices sent when a new registration is set up. However the newer bots have learnt how to auto respond themselves to these messages and so I have further installed an anti robot code which only a human can complete.
A bot will create multiple accounts and keep doing so, some even auto posting a spam message in every, thread, forum that it can find.
Think of an infection and thats what a bot is.
The new site does have a lot of protection against bots but the old site was attacked last night and had already created 23 new bogus accounts in the thirty minutes before I saw it.
This consumes resources.
I already know that we have a spy/troll registered who has already registered under another name the exact same day they were told their old account would be blocked and to be honest I can't be doing with that kind of hassle.
Which is exactly why the times for response are short. Months and weeks is far too long and if the troll keeps registering when their account is blocked does it really prevent it? No.
If that troll is forced to keep creating email accounts, forced to create new registrations they will get bored of it and leave or get banned whichever comes first.
In the last two weeks we have had nearly 7 new members of which 4 have actively posted at least once and of those 4 only 2 have posted more then once.
So you see the need for short deadlines.
Blocking an account basically takes your account to the level of a guest with a bit more freedom. You can't do anything except read topics, so its possible to lurk all you like.
Your account remains unchanged, you dont loose your post counts, pms, rpg stuff, topscores or forum enhancements. All that happens is as mentioned you can look but nothing else.
Since the site opened we have had 12 bots, three hackers attempts and 1 troll.
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Posted by Buffy on 01-05-2004 at 16:21:
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Well, that's not quite what I'm saying. Yes, they are there and affect all members. That bothers me. Yes, the restrictions are too much in my opinion. I stand by my concerns stated earlier on how it might affect membership in X way, but you're expressing the desire for Y membership, so that is not a concern for what you want out of the site.
Yes, having newbie policies in place is reasonable. Other sites have them: Usually "Post once please within a week or so and follow the rules of conduct...and if you are inactive beyond X time (usually 60-90 days), you may get your newbie account deleted."
Once a member has established themselves, then what I've seen at most is a reminder after 6 months of inactivity that their account is about to close.
So I have no problem with reasonable controls. I just didn't see the proposed controls as reasonable. If you lower the 'full membership' requirements, or grandfather in old loyal members, I've got much less of a concern.
And let me test my limited tech understanding. You are most concerned about trolls who get an account and don't post, but through that account may hack the system and cause damage. Or more likely, set up a base account that gives porn bots and the like a platform to proliferate? You also mentioned that you know of a specific troll who is constantly working on this site through I will assume is a personal agenda. You have no way to get his/her IP banned through proper channels I take it? As well, automatically banning any membership that comes from that IP. A more extreme approach, but it sounds like you are open to extreme suggestions.
(Note: This took a while to write, so the last post I read was the one I quoted....will read what follows now. Ignore any of my questions that were addressed in the posts I missed while I was typing)
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Posted by Buffy on 01-05-2004 at 16:31:
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The info on bots and trolls was helpful, thanks. I agree with your concerns with everything but what I have quoted above. If they don't post at all that's one thing, but I'm still getting the perceved 'hey you, post or else!' thingie....perhaps it is just a matter of degree and approach that I'm seeing?
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Posted by Cep on 01-05-2004 at 16:39:
Well the thing is, I have found that when rules apply to new people only it creates an "us and them" atmostphere which is why the rules encompass everyone. It just seems like the only fair thing to do.
The other problem is how do you fairly say that a member has established themselves? I have already tried to do that by saying 75 posts or more makes you a regular member which recieved a very cold reception.
And as mentioned 6 months is far too long. Its not even worth having the restriction if you apply a timeline like that as previously mentioned.
I have a number of ways to stop trolls, ban their email accounts, ban their IPs or even go after them by netting them but I am a fair person and like to extent at least 3 chances before I take any serious action.
I know who they are from their IPs, I even know what browser and version of windows they use, so trust me its not that I dont have the facilities at hand, I'd just much prefer not to use them.
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Posted by Ashke on 01-05-2004 at 17:04:
It's not me!!! I'm innocent I swear!!! Well, maybe not exactly innocent, but you know what i mean.
Posted by Cep on 01-05-2004 at 17:10:
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Well its more "hey you, *tap tap*....you active?...no? Ok then *drags dead body out of forum*"
If you can think of a better system then please do but so far all the extended timelines that have been given are far too unrealistic to create the necessary detterent.
When the site opened it was two weeks from registration to become inactive, one week after you would be deleted.
To now say months....well you can see what I mean.
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Posted by lyon on 01-05-2004 at 18:48:
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sailor moon! muahahaha!!!
in the name of truth and justice, and because you dress funny, I WILL PUNISH YOU!
gah, that takes me back. i lurved sailor moon. i probably still have one of the largest doujinshi collections around, i was part of LSPR until i got too busy to update my section of it.
/me reminisces.
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Posted by Ashke on 01-05-2004 at 19:24:
My daughter is still a big fan, she has all the dolls except saturn. she even had me dress up as mask and she was moon for halloween.
Posted by Cep on 01-05-2004 at 23:16:
you mean this one?
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Posted by Ashke on 02-05-2004 at 00:06:
Yeah, thats the one. *sigh*
Posted by lyon on 02-05-2004 at 01:26:
death ribbon(reborn) revolution!
did mention i have all the manga too? the silence glaive rocks.
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Posted by Buffy on 02-05-2004 at 02:31:
*chuckles* Ahhhhh. Gratuitous Panty Shots.
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Posted by imaqtz on 02-05-2004 at 15:23:
Ya know, You guys are SERIOUSLY warping my mind here....How did we get from Member rules to Salor moon panty shots??? 
*gladly sinks into the insanity *
Have I told you how much I LOVE this place???
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Posted by Cep on 02-05-2004 at 17:50:
Yes Imi hun you have on numerous occasions....
...not that we ever want you to stop mind 
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Posted by Elvin Ruler on 02-05-2004 at 21:17:
Hmmm...Sailor Moon. Too bad that DIC and whatever studio that translated S and SS think that "edit" equals "remove all plot." I have a few fansubs on my laptop. Definitely better in Japanese.
As far as the members, I know it creates a "them vs us" thing, but maybe you could extend the time for members? Once the newbies see that we're very friendly and that it's just a precaution against bots and spammers and the like, than it ought to be fine. It's one of those things where sometimes Real Life takes over, perhaps even for a few months, where someone simply doesn't have the time to do a lot internet-wise. Adding that they're blocked from the list, even if it only takes an e-mail to get unblocked, might just be the proverbial straw.
On another note, it's very dangerous to leave the site alone for even a day. Sheesh, I was gone for a little over 48 hours and Boom! A million posts to wade through. Off I go! Can't let anyone beat my posting record!
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Posted by Ashke on 02-05-2004 at 21:46:
"I solemnly swear to never bring up sailor moon on this site again." {unless somebody does it first}
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