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Posted by gatchgirl on 24-04-2006 at 20:59:
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I'm wondering what it takes for a cartoon to have a long lasting effect on people.
For example Botp has been off the air since the early 80's but there is a strong following today.
Could it be that anime sticks more with people? If so then the Japanese have something to be proud of. Then you look at the cartoons that are popular with kids above the age of 5 and it's mostly anime ones.
Have things like the Smurfs become obsolete? I did watch those but they never stuck with me like BOTP. The other day, when I was driving to work, I just kept thinking that it seems so weird that a 30+ person would be going nutty over the next Gatch release.
Don't get me wrong, I will not stop buying them because someone else might think that it's not cool. I just wonder what anime has over the other cartoons? I am also just thankful that it's still around to watch.
Anybody have any answers to the love of anime?
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Posted by Cep on 24-04-2006 at 22:30:
I think its because western cartoons are usually very different.
Most western cartoons are just short unimportant stories based around a set of common characters.
Whereas a lot of Japanese cartoons are usually very long expansive storylines surrounding what could be considered important issues around a set of common characters that may or may not suddenly die.
I think the appeal with Japanese animation is akin to western soaps and sitcoms.
You are always left wanting to know what has happened, what could happen and what may happen.
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Posted by gatchgirl on 25-04-2006 at 01:07:
I think your right Cep. With the emotion and the chance that the characters could die it made it a lot better then the common cartoons. Makes me wonder if anyone in Yu-Gi-Oh dies. Since I see how much the western half likes to paint the cartoon in a pretty pink cloud lining (so to speak).
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Posted by Ronin on 25-04-2006 at 06:08:
Oh yes, I was thinking that about FFU
Its kids stuff and so the critic didnt think much of it.
But people die, they betray each other, they suffer trauma (sometimes with long lasting effects) they get hurt, they pursue vendettas that put others in danger and forget the reason for, they react well to pathetic acts of kindness, they have petty fights, they chill out when in a safe enviroment (and have more petty fights) they get hurt when someone says something spiteful, they have big secrets, they puzzle over anothers conflicting actions, they love even someone who is unable to love in return.
Posted by meridianday on 25-04-2006 at 07:00:
I think it's not just anime that sticks in the mind of us ex-kids. I think it's a show of almost any genre, that happens to catch you at the right age and has something that stands out about it.
For example, when I first saw BOTP it was replacing some other cartoon that was on at the same time of day called "lost valley of the dinosaurs" or something like that. There was also a Godzilla/Godzuki show on, and an awful lot of other badly drawn and badly animated shows, every one of which seemed to have its own Scrappy Doo, that I really didn't find very appealing
Then along came BOTP. It didn't look even remotely like any other cartoon that was on. The storylines didn't follow any other cartoon. After a few episodes I was hooked. When it went off air, I missed it horribly and because it had already made its way into my daydreams, it stayed in my head. For over 15 years after it vanished from the tv, I still thought about it and the characters every day because they had invaded my imagination. I have often wondered, if it had stayed on air and got repeated endlessly, whether I would have got bored with it and moved on.
But other people feel the same way about other shows. Look at all the trekkies out there. People remember the Muppets fondly. Dangermouse has been having quite a revival over here without there ever being any new episodes! Gerry Anderson shows caught many peoples' imaginations, and Thunderbirds toys still sell out every christmas despite the series being 40 years old! Captain Scarlet has been revived as a CGI series. There's a lot of retro stuff available, for those of us who want to revive our childhoods.
Anime has also been far more available over the last few years than during my childhood (I don't know how old the rest of you are but I'm assuming - except for young Elvin - there's only a few years between most of us). it's cheaper for companies to buy it in and dub it than it is for them to make a whole animated series themselves, and so there's a lot of it available - I think quite a large proportion of the anime that's currently getting broadcast is unremarkable, probably a similar proportion to the non-anime programs that are currently getting broadcast.
Has anyone seen a show called Dragon Booster? While I haven't seen many episodes of it, I can see a few adults in 15 - 25 years time harking back to the days when they saw that. Perhaps Lazytown as well, although I think its audience may be transient since a lot are over the show's target age and may eventually get bored and move on.
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What about shows that wont last?
I think the ones with too many topical references will die pretty soon. (except maybe as historical interest)
and another thing you have to have is character growth.
Posted by Metaliant on 25-04-2006 at 22:40:
I am a member of a Dangermouse group, similar to this one, though I haven't been there for couple of months as I am trapped here but it's nice people but they aren't mad like us.
I live the new CGI Captain Scarlet and though I kinda prefer the orignal, I found it more character base stories, though having Lt Green have a sex change and maybe, maybe getting together with Capt. Blue is a bit disgusting, but despite this, I love it and glad that it's done 2 seasons.
Can't waid to see what's it like in a live action movie. Hopefully better than the Thunderbirds film.
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Posted by gatchgirl on 25-04-2006 at 23:46:
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I know exactly what you are saying meridianday. The show would play in my mind constantly (with my own twist of course). I remember having one story line where Mark was my dad and my "uncle" Jason was coming over in his race car to take me to school. Whenever I was going to try something "scary" like riding a big rollercoaster, they still are there to give me the courage to ride it. I feel like sometimes I'm losing my mind but I really don't want to "grow up" when it comes to things like BOTP. There was other shows that made my mind race like that for a short time but none has ever matched it. Thank goodness for web pages like this one and the technology of dvds so that the show can live on forever.
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Posted by kitten415 on 27-04-2006 at 06:21:
I'm glad someone brought up the subject of anime lasting a lot longer in our minds than western cartoons. After watching anime for the first time, I hated all other cartoons because they couldn't stack up. I like that most anime has depth to it and the characters seem like people you can relate to, not some cardboard cutouts with mechanical personalities. Anime pushes the boundaries of human emotions much further than any western cartoon I have ever seen, and for that it has stayed with me for years.
Posted by Metaliant on 27-04-2006 at 10:50:
There are some western cartoons, eg Dangermouse, which are chap and chirpy and so badly drawn that it doesn't make any difference because it's not suppose to be taken seriously.
Watership Down is another example on how a western cartoon could be very good though this film and the TV series is more on the storyline and charactors, rather than, as you said mechanical personalities and no story.
This is what does my head in about BOTP, where you can see (as an adult I see these things more clearly) the difference between the Japanese ainime and the American bits that were stuck in.
Ghost In The Shell is a damm good example of how a cartoon in the 21st century should look and feel and has done a good job of melding traditional drawn cartoon and CGI and has both deph on the charactors and thoughtout storylines.
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Posted by Metaliant on 27-04-2006 at 10:52:
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I enjoy the ainime more than soaps and a lot of the sitcoms personally.
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Posted by CricketBeautiful on 28-04-2006 at 00:56:
Legend of Redwall looks like it was good. Too intense for the kids, though, so I only watched one episode.
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