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Posted by Dirk Daring on 01-06-2011 at 02:17:
Thinking about doing Gatchaman/BotP/G-Force comparison video...
Now that classes are finished for the summer, and seeing as I have better hardware and software to work with, I'm resurrecting my idea of doing a Gatchaman/BotP/G-Force comparison video.
I was inspired to do this because of the constant confusion between BotP and G-Force by people on YouTube. I also wanted to highlight the differences between the 3.
I currently have every episode of each adaptation (for "G-Force", all 85 eps on VHS off of first-run Cartoon Network recordings from 1995, the other two.........arr matey!), but I'm def not gonna do an ep-by-ep comparison, more of a general one.
This is where I ask you guys for help/advice:
- Anyone recall any specific Gatch eps with lots of violence, death, or other controversial elements?
- Anyone recall any specific BotP eps where there was a lot of Gatch footage cut, and a lot of U.S produced footage edited in? Or any eps that are drastically different from their Gatch counterparts?
From the former question, I'll be able to determine which G-Force eps to look at (as it cut the most extreme moments of violence and death, as well as nudity and intra-team violence) to highlight its differences from Gatchaman, and from the latter I'll do the same with BotP.
Your help would be greatly appreciated! Hopefully this project won't fall through this time around!
Posted by Transmute Jun on 01-06-2011 at 14:28:
I think this is a great project, Dirk!
The BOTP episode that comes to mind is Conway Tape Tap, but hat was based on episode 101 of Gatchaman, which wasn't translated into G-Force.
An episode I used to illustrate Gatchaman/BOTP differences to someone was the baby whale episode. In BOTP they cut most of the big fight scene, as well as the scene where Joe kills 2 Galactors with his shuriken (in BOTP a Galactor cap drops from one man and they 'run away' off screen). Also, there's a scene in Gatchaman where Nambu is reaming out the Team for their idiocy, and in BOTP it's juust Chief Anderson talking calmly, so you can see the disconnect in the facial expressions if you know what's going on.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 01-06-2011 at 14:45:
When the Sandy Frank folks adapted The Plan to Assassinate Dr. Nambu, they cut the murder of Joe's parents, and the death of the Devil Star he had unwittingly befriended. They also had the Luminous One go on about Zoltar's sister in a way it had never spoken about anyone else.
In the episodes that became both parts of The Sky is Falling!, they cut G1 being struck by a captain, and much of the big fight scene in the rocket bay (the fight that begins with his stolen goon uniform being riddled with bullets).
Much of the confrontation between the blind old ninja and the Jupiter Mountain ninjas in the Combined Demon Man episode was also removed.
Without heading for Veoh (because I don't have BotP on anything), I can't time the relative amount of Zark/Ready Room/space travel footage for those.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 01-06-2011 at 15:50:
RE: Thinking about doing Gatchaman/BotP/G-Force comparison video...
You've come up with such a great idea, Dirk!
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I'm sorry I cannot help you with BotP episodes, and comparisons made to them since I don't know so much about them! Regarding violence in Gatch, if it might be of some help my first, hurried thoughts go to the episode when Joe returns to BC Island, and to the Jigokillers episode when RI had beaten Ken up! But, again I'm not sure about the specific changes or cuts when turned into BotP! My thoughts also go to instances connected with Joe's health condition!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 01-06-2011 at 17:31:
Episode 70 of Gatch, "Death Girls Unite," got changed a fair bit for BOTP -all the scenes of people (and a dog) being killed by -very unpleasantly!- by being mummified were cut. The fight scenes were edited, the scene of Katse shooting Maya was cut, and biggest of all, the girl Maya (Tyna in BOTP) survives -according to Zark- even though she's never shown leaving the mansion before it all blows up at the end.
I've never seen the GOS version, but this might also be a good episode to use for comparisons.
Posted by jublke on 02-06-2011 at 04:16:
Don't forget to show that it wasn't just the level of violence that was altered/sanitized - the characters are not interchangeable either. For Gatch/BotP, there are some interesting episodes that highlight the differences between Ken and Mark's temperaments that also underscore cultural differences between the shows. What it meant to be a leader in Gatch was quite different than how a leader was presented in BotP.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 02-06-2011 at 21:30:
The moral guardians tried to turn Mark into the boring hero we were supposed to admire. Fortunately, they couldn't do that, since Ken had some baggage.
They just made Jason seem that much cooler with Zark's nonsense about how he's hot-headed.
Yeah, the BotP adaptation of the Jigokiller episode cut out RI's beatdown of G1. If you weren't paying attention to Mark's face, you'd miss it (if you pay attention, you notice mysterious dark spots).
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Posted by jublke on 03-06-2011 at 03:05:
Well, there's also the idea that Ken was too much a noble leader to get tied down in a relationship (or is that fanon more than canon?). Mark, on the other hand, had at least the hint of a relationship with Princess because he was the hero and the Americanized hero had to have a love interest (a la Magnetic Attraction).
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Posted by gatchamarie on 03-06-2011 at 07:47:
That's why I like Ken more than Mark, notwithstanding the latter's sweeter character! Mark is too perfect, whilst Ken is more real, having the right stuff that a good Commander should have with all his human defects!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 03-06-2011 at 13:52:
Julie, I love your new avatar! I just wonder what Joe is looking at!
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Posted by jublke on 03-06-2011 at 17:28:
Aw, thanks for noticing, TJ! Doesn't Springie do great work? 
I asked her for an illustration for my latest fanfic The Music Class. (Shameless plug alert) It's actually of Jason (albeit a slightly older version) and you can see the full picture in context and read the story here: http://www.gatchfanfic.com/viewstory.php?sid=1290
And now ... 
Back on topic ... Which of the characters do you think get the biggest make-over between Gatch and BotP? I was going to say Ken/Mark, but given the swearing turned stuttering of Jinpei/Keyop, the G-4 might actually be more dramatic.
Thoughts?
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-06-2011 at 07:42:
Jinpei was more of a bratty, but realistic, 10-year-old. He didn't swear that much, but he had plenty to say (usually while putting his foot in it) and teased his sister quite a bit.
A small boy acting like a small boy was apparently too much for America's moral guardians -- at any rate, too much for the Standards and Practices people connected with BotP. That's what I think. And there was no way to edit him into whatever unrealistic little angel they thought was appropriate. Hence the silly noises and the unusual origin.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 04-06-2011 at 14:41:
I think the G-4 character is a good choice. There aren't many other differences as vast... unless you count the difference between Pimer and Zark. 
Although... Berg Katse became two different people in BOTP, so perhaps there's something to be said for his changes!
As for characters who stayed almost the same... I'd give a nod to Ryu and Tiny.
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Posted by jublke on 04-06-2011 at 17:32:
LOL, TJ, I forgot about that! 
Splitting Berg Katse into two people definitely would count as the biggest personality change between the two shows!
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Posted by Dirk Daring on 04-06-2011 at 17:42:
So far, my idea is to go through
General differences:
- Name changes across the variations (show clips of the character names being announced for each adaptation back to back)
- Identity change variations ("Bird Go", "Transmute!", "G-Force, Transform!")
Individual differences:
- Show clips demonstrating the differences in violence between the three
- The differences in music between the three
- The differences in editing between the three
- The differences of G-4 between the three
I find that its quite easy to get overwhelmed with ideas for this, with so many episodes to work with, but I'd like to keep it as focused as possible, so that it'll appeal to casual audiences as well.
I'd definitely like to show some Ready Room and Zark/Mark/Princess footage in there too...ha!
Right now I'm stuck trying to convert my Gatch and BotP episodes (which are encoded in mkv. format) to a more compatible format.
Posted by RIgirl on 04-06-2011 at 18:29:
The one episode that (I think, anyway) shows the differences between Ken and Mark the best is Episode 4, Revenge of the Iron Beast Mechadegon (BOTP "The Space Serpent").
I remember it truly floored me to see the end of "Gatch" where Ken not only encouraged, but actually forced, the girl to fire the missile, while at the the end of BOTP, Mark was telling her that revenge was never the best way and commended her for not doing it!
Of course, 50 episodes later, Mark could have given Ken the same speech ...
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Posted by Dirk Daring on 10-06-2011 at 06:08:
Well, after working almost non-stop since Monday night (this would've NEVER been possible if I hadn't had the luxury of having free time), the video is done! It was a BIG headache putting this together w/Sony Vegas, a complex beast of a program that I'm still taking my baby steps with. And my 6 year old PC is barely capable of handling large video projects, so it was pushed to its absolute limit.
A lot of the stuff presented on the vid is already familiar to most of us, as I'm aiming this at the internet folk who are allergic to Google and Wikipedia, and are confused by all of the English adaptations of Gatchaman out there. As for covering the changes in editing, violence, music and G-4...I think I've had a change of heart. It's too much work for what's aimed at a casual, niche audience! Perhaps with this vid, the confusion will subside, and people will compare and contrast by themselves the deeper differences. I MAY put together a smaller video around the Zark, Ready Room and Space segments, to show people what replaced all of the questionable content in BotP!
Here it is, feedback is appreciated!
http://youtu.be/k3_hzxlMEXs
Posted by gatchamarie on 10-06-2011 at 09:11:
You've done such a great job in giving us the opportunity to see the differences between the main important features of Gatchaman, BotP and GForce in one video, Dirk! It's much easier to compare when having such similar instances being shown one after the other! Thanks again!
And, I think that the change in G4, especially between Gatchaman and BotP, could also be clearly seen even if no specific focus has been attributed to the character! I also couldn't help notice how the way the Team spoke in the different series rendered a different message to me, especially where the vigore lacked!
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 10-06-2011 at 14:04:
Great job, Dirk! 
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Posted by Springie on 10-06-2011 at 19:27:
Very nice! Love the music!
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