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Posted by Transmute Jun on 20-08-2010 at 21:56:
Where Did Galactor Come From?
In canon the beginnings of Galactor are vague, at best. We know that they 'existed' when Red Impulse went off to Hontwal, leaving his 4 year old son behind. But how long had they existed before then? Was Galactor created by X, or did X merely appropriate the organization? Was Berg Katse the first and only leader of Galactor, or was there a long line of leaders before?
Thoughts?
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Posted by clouddancer on 20-08-2010 at 22:26:
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Now that got some thoughts moving in my head. I wonder.....
*Cloud wanders off thinking .... someone BEFORE Zoltar. Since that is who is in my AU.*
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 20-08-2010 at 22:30:
With Zoltar, it seems likely that there was someone before. After all, he is ruler of a planet/empire. Even if the governmental system was different before Zoltar, there would still have been someone in charge, KWIM?
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Posted by clouddancer on 20-08-2010 at 22:44:
You are right there. I guess your comment made me wonder WHO it was before him. Did he become ruler because of a blood connection (it was passed down to him because his parents were the previous rulers), or did he overthrow the previous leader.
Was the previous leader a male or a female?
Your comment just made me think. I am not sure if it will even go any where or if it needs to for my AU.
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Posted by Dirk Daring on 20-08-2010 at 22:45:
Well, as far as GoS goes, Dr. Brighthead *cue laughter* explained his origins clearly in one sentence:
"Galactor is not a human being, he's an alien from space who has come to conquer the Earth!"
In one of the most patronizing tones of voice ever.
.......Oh, we're talking about Gatch? Oops.
Forgot where I read it (must've been one of those fansites), but I read that the organization was some generic mafia/syndicate before X and Katse took over and brought their monster robots with them.
Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 20-08-2010 at 23:08:
You may have misunderstood the Wikipedia entry, which mentions that Galactor was a successful, undetected yakuza-like organization before the start of the show.
In the premier episode, nobody except Dr. Nambu even suspects the existence of Galactor. The implication is that this organization existed for quite a while before it launched the Turtle King, since Nambu had time to gather, train, and equip his team.
In The Evil White Sea, one of the goons who picks up Miller makes a reference to the old man having been out of touch for thirty or so years, implying that Galactor has been around at least that long.
In the V2 episodes, we learn that Nambu asked Kentaro to go undercover 14 years before, to investigate the scheme.
In Duel on Galactor Island, Nambu reveals that he rescued Joe 11 years before, after his parents had been murdered.
(While some of this looks like Nambu being secretive, it may also be the inevitable result of having to reveal a plot point that was either just thought up, or that was never properly foreshadowed.)
It's possible that some fan speculation or fanfics gave us the idea of Leader X taking over Galactor.
(In the original series plan, Katse founded Galactor and invented Leader X. A little over halfway through, they went with Leader X being an alien, and Katse being a mutant.)
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Posted by amethyst on 21-08-2010 at 00:36:
Working strictly from what I understand from canon.
#1. We can safely assume that Leader X is an alien from the planet Selector (forgive my spelling if it is not perfect).
#2. The way he treats Berg Katse, it is as if he has kept his mission quite while raising and training Katse and gather troops to serve. There may have been others high in rank that served knowing that Katse would be X's figurehead. The mute convict from ep 88 and the CoW from ep 90, are treated as if they know not only Katse's secret, but X's as well.
#3. Background on Galactor seems fluid, as does the timeline and places used for setting. The timeline for Ken's background does not line up with Joe's if we are to assume that Nambu is correct about first learning of Galactor while on BC Island. However, it is possible that RI was sent to investigate Hontwarl and not Galactor (I'd have to rewatch that episode to be positive).
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Posted by Ladygalactor777 on 21-08-2010 at 01:35:
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I don't remember very well from were I read something or got the info...I think was from the comic book that explained when Sosai X been on earth for thousands of years & when he came he tried to save the DNA from the original Galactors who can't survive because the destruction of their original planet...Sosai X mixed the Galactor DNA with the early primitive humans creating a race of fierce minions...but I am not very sure...any one correct me If I am wrong.
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Posted by nuni on 21-08-2010 at 01:51:
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Oh, I've never heard that before. Sounds a little like the plot from the X-files movie, at least in the sense that aliens pre-dated modern man on earth.
Posted by nuni on 21-08-2010 at 02:00:
I've no basis in canon for this but, going along the lines of what Amythest posted earlier...
I've always imagined that Galactor was a earth-bound criminal organization that Sosai-X used as a convenient entry point into earth politics. Eventually, he took over and placed Katse as his "general." In fact, he "made" Katse for this very purpose.
Perhaps some of the CotWs we encounter are former leaders in Galactor prior to the days of X. They are not necessary loyal or subservient to Katse, having been in the organization before him. But of course, they are all under the supreme command of X and must do his bidding. That would explain why they seem to know Katse's secret, having been present at the time he was installed as X's chosen leader.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 21-08-2010 at 02:30:
That's an interesting idea, Nuni... that the CotW were in charge before Katse took his place. It would also explain why Katse doesn't seem bothered when they all die.... 
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Posted by gatchamarie on 21-08-2010 at 06:52:
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That's my own line of thinking! After all, he did just like that, again, with Egobossler in Gatch F, after almost having to begin from scratch!
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That's another thinking I like!
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Posted by lborgia88 on 21-08-2010 at 15:29:
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My general thoughts on the subject -not necessarily based on any canon I know- are similar. I've imagined that Leader X came to earth, and probably laid low for a bit, just observing Earth. Realizing he would need a very specialized sort of person for his plans, he mutated two twins, in utero, into Katse. But of course, it would take at least a couple decades for Katse to be of any real use to him (unless Leader X rapid-aged Katse the way he later does Gel Sadra) so I can well believe Leader X might have employed older men to serve him and probably started Galactor by a combination of recruiting individual followers (maybe the mute man from ep. 88 was one such man) and also by co-opting existing criminal gangs, syndicates, small countries like the Luman Kingdom with corrupt rulers, mafias etc. (This could be how BC Island got involved). I'm sure that Leader X was careful to keep his true nature a secret from these early followers, though, and probably killed most of them later to ensure they didn't know too much about him or Katse (who by his late teens, was probably serving as X's front man). In fact, if I recall, I think Dr. Nambu supposedly becomes aware of Galactor's existence after he rescues young Joe on BC Island and he might have done some private research or recon after that -Dr. Nambu, even in episode 1, is aware of Galactor's existence even if no one else seems to be.
Once Katse was old enough, and enough secret bases and what-not had been put in place around the world, and enough followers had been acquired, Galactor came out into the open and attacked...
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