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Posted by Dirk Daring on 15-08-2010 at 02:45:
Ideas for a Gatch/BotP/G-Force comparison video...
As a "G-Force" fan, one of the, if not the most frustrating thing to deal with is people who keep confusing it with BotP (due to the use of the same footage and the "G-Force" and "Phoenix" terms). I can somewhat tolerate the bashing from those who grew up with BotP (I understand that watching 7-Zark-7 and the "Ready Room" sequences must've been a traumatic experience for many when they were kids....mmm, space burgers...), but to harp on and on about it being the "wrong" version and "an abomination" simply because it isn't the show you remember is just ridiculous. Could you at least bother to read their respective Wiki pages (like the GoS one which I've virtually, single-handedly put together over the last 3+ years) or the descriptions on my YT videos? (BTW yes, all of this comes from comments left on my G-Force related YT videos)
For the longest I've been thinking about creating a comparison video, which showcases the various differences (i.e names, terms, cuts for violence and content) between Gatch, BotP and G-Force. Before I only owned a scant few eps of each series, now I own all of them (GoS legitimately, thanks to a generous fellow Gatch fan who recorded it's first-ever run on Cartoon Network back in '95; Gatch and BotP.........not so legitimately!). I have the content, but I don't think I have the tools (5+ year old PC hanging on by a thread) or the idea of how to best shape all of this. Soon, I won't have the time either, as I'll be starting classes again (and a part-time, woo-hoo!) in a couple of weeks.
The video would serve the dual purposes of educating the boobs who refuse to do their homework, and stick it to those who view BotP with rose-tinted glasses. Seriously, I've been browsing through some BotP eps, and the edits are ridiculous! Where the heck was Jason throughout most of "The Galaxy Girls"? And why did Mark and Jason show signs of dissent then out of nowhere run to rendezvous at Center Neptune in "The Conway Tape Tap"? So yeah, it could be entertaining as well!
So guys, any ideas? For those of you savvy about BotP, which episodes faced the most heaviest cuts and most farfetched re-writes? I can't think of much in GoS, except a couple of times in which on-screen deaths and injuries (i.e Joe/Dirk in Ep. 20) where covered up (or rather, a horrible attempt at) with voiceovers or dialogue stressing that they "got to get them to a hospital!"
Posted by amethyst on 15-08-2010 at 03:40:
Dirk, while I do somewhat understand what you are saying, remember that BotP fans share the frustration.
We hear G-Force and expect BotP. We watch GoS and something seems missing. While the Zark and Ready Room scenes contain some pretty crappy animation and some of the worst lines ever, there are people who are fans of that. The rest of us, use those times as bathroom breaks. We may wear glasses (well some contacts and others have had laser surgery), but most of us left the rose-tint behind.
As for the rewrites, sometimes the BotP script (Zark and all) made more sense then the original. We all have our favorite version, we all have things that we love and hate about all three versions (if we've seen them).
I don't think anyone hear as harped continuously about GoS being wrong, unless it is in a thread comparing the versions and that is too be expected, and there is just as much harping about BotP (and some of it by those who first watched and loved that version).
Although, GoS is my least favorite version of the three. Yes, BotP is my favorite with SNT coming in a very close second. I do appreciate the effort that both you and Candi are putting forth to educate the rest of us on GoS. I'd love see to see the videos that you put out comparing them, particularly if the are true analytical comparison with highlights and lowlights from all three, not trying to put anyone series over the other.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 15-08-2010 at 04:13:
Dirk, I'll echo most of what Amethyst said. I don't know enough about GoS to make the kind of comments to which you are referring. I grew up with BOTP and it holds a sentimental place in my heart, but as an adult I fully admit to all of its issues... not the least of which are the character of 7-Zark-7 and the horrible animation quality of the added sequences.
However, I don't think I've seen anyone on this board denigrating GoS. In fact, we love to hear your comments on the episodes so that we can learn about the differences. I will be very interested in seeing what you come up with for your video.
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Posted by AllentownDarkWater on 15-08-2010 at 04:19:
I'd love to chip in, but prior to Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and seeing ADV Films' version of the show, I was never able to get into any version of it. In fact, GoS was also my introduction to Gatchaman, and back when me and my brother first saw it, we thought the show sucked. This was back in 1995. Maybe it's just because I wasn't the big anime geek I am today back then. The same way I thought about GoS back then I also thought about Sailor Moon back then, and so much time has passed, and Sailor Moon is one of my top 10 favorite animes now, and has been since my late teens. I didn't know about BOTP until either 2002 or 2004. since I wasn't the big anime geek I was now back in the 90's, I decided to give BotP a crack and watched the first episode. I just couldn't get into it. And most of the time it was running I was doing other stuff and not really paying attention to what was going on. It wasn't until I played Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and started watching the ADV Films version that the show finally came through to me, and now look at me, I've been hooked on it all year. However if I was forced to choose either BOTP or GoS, I think I'd pick GoS, because I don't have the grudge against I had back in my early child hood anymore, and have grown to like it, because I'm not as closed minded and immature as I was back in the mid 90's. Plus it was more faithful to the original version of Gatchaman. I'm still pissed that one of my favorite parts from episode 6 in the original isn't in the GoS version though.
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Posted by Dirk Daring on 15-08-2010 at 04:44:
Thanks everyone! I wasn't referring to you guys by the way, I'm referring to the people who often comment on my YT videos (then again, I shouldn't be surprised at the stuff that's read on YT comments section). The people have always been cool and open-minded at the various Gatch-related boards I've visited over the years, including this one.
Just the same, I'm not a blind GoS fanboy. I'm fully aware of its flaws as well. The backbeat is to GoS what Zark is to BotP. And I don't hate everything BotP stands for either.......I just poke fun at it's flaws here and there. But those aforementioned people kinda ruin things. Could you believe this confusion has been going on since the moment GoS premiered on Cartoon Network? I've browsed 15+year old usenet convos (thank Google Archives) with people either confused or up in arms after watching G-Force on CN, and it not being the show (BotP) they remembered. Gatch is one of the very few instances I can think of in which a show (anime or otherwise) was re-worked and re-aired numerous times.
When and if I were to do a video, I'd probably pick moments in episodes where there's glaring differences between the versions. Trying to do a comparison for individual eps would be WAY too time-consuming...besides, that's the "Episode of the Week" board is for! I've got a couple of eps in mind......but the biggest issue I think is lack of hardware. I'd need a good PC and some spiffy video editing software (WMM won't cut the cake I'm sure). Still worth it to bounce around the idea though...
Posted by AllentownDarkWater on 15-08-2010 at 04:47:
I recently heard somebody say on another forum that they used to watch GoS on MTV. When did MTV play it? Maybe that's where it was shown in another country. I don't know.
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Posted by amethyst on 15-08-2010 at 05:09:
I remember when I first saw GoS (yeah, I remember when I first watched BotP, too), we had been flooded out of our home and had to move in with my parents temporarily with a two year old. I saw G-Force advertised on Cartoon Network and stayed up to watch it. My first reaction was WTF! At the time, I'd not heard of SNT and wondered what Turner had done to my favorite cartoon. Had he butchered it like he did all the movies he'd colorized?
Being here, I've learned to appreciated it more and learned more of the history behind my favorite cartoon.
I do hope you get the chance to do the video. There are many here who would love to see it.
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Posted by Dirk Daring on 15-08-2010 at 05:19:
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I seriously doubt it, Gatch is too off-beat of a show for MTV in any incarnation. MTV however did air "Speed Racer" during the early 1990s, in an ironic "so bad that it's good" way. The show experienced a sort of retro revival during that time period which MTV jumped on. Of course the show made it's way to CN later in 1996. Find it odd how they never paired GoS and Speed back-to-back or at least on the same programming block. By the time Speed raced in to CN (oh I crack myself up!), GoS had already been shoved to late nights and weekends only.
Posted by gatchamarie on 15-08-2010 at 13:14:
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I'm sorry that I'm another who cannot help you with this, Dirk, as I grew up watching Gatchaman, Gatch II and Gatch F, and I don't know much about BOTP or GoS! I do appreciate all the reincarnations, and the work involved in them, but I'm not able to do any reliable comparisions! I do like to know more about them, though!
I totally understand what you're referring to, and your frustration, and I also totally admire your drive to educate others! I hope you'll succeed in this endeavour!
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Posted by Hinotori on 15-08-2010 at 17:45:
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I'm with Amethyst on this one. I was not the fan I am today of Gatch or all it's incarnations, or of anime as a whole when GoS was on CN, so I really was the part of the "casual cartoon fan" demographic when it premiered. I remember when I first saw it, I had the same reaction though - "WTH is this?? These aren't the voices or music I remember!" Although I knew "something" wasn't right, I never realized, at that time, that this was a completely separate series from BoTP - I thought maybe I had simply forgot what BoTP was really like since I was so young when it was on. Fast forward all these years later, and now I understand. But, back then, people who weren't into the fandom didn't. Remember, we didn't have internet like we do today, so we couldn't Google to find out the backstory of the series!
Also, about people ragging on the series itself - comparing it to BoTP - here's a slightly different perspective... How did the fans of the original Gatchaman feel when they saw BoTP? I'll guarantee they had the same reaction! At least going from BoTP to Gatch, for the most part, we had a pleasant surprise. But imagine being a Gatch fan, expecting to basically see Gatch in English with a new voice-over cast, then getting BoTP. I'm sure they felt the same way you do with GoS!
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Posted by yul on 15-08-2010 at 17:50:
I think, GoS and Gatch have too much in common (I mean video, not audio details such as names or music) and for me they are practically one version in contrast to BOTP. Yes, some "rude" details were cut from GoS (but not always), but on the whole these versions don`t have differences.
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