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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-03-2010 at 04:15:
BotP Question
I'm reading Ennien's Prisoner of War, and I notice that Princess is referred to as 'Dove', and Jason as 'Hawk.'
I haven't found those designations in the Hofius book (yet), and other fanfics have used 'Swan' and 'Condor.'
Anyone know which is canon, and which is fanon?
When I was watching it originally, I believe I figured Jason was costumed as a hawk or other raptor, but I don't remember what I thought Princess might be.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 04-03-2010 at 04:23:
In Eagle Riders, the Bird Names are different. Hunter is the Hawk, Joe is the Falcon, Kelly is the Dove. Mickey and Ollie are still the Swallow and the Owl.
As far as BOTP is concerned, though, in canon there are no bird names at all.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-03-2010 at 04:39:
Well, it was pretty obvious that Mark was supposed to be an eagle. Tiny's bird affiliation is plain, as is Keyop (if you can get a look at his cape). Leaving Jason and Princess. Of course, if you get a look at her shadow, you know she's a swan.
Leaving Jason as not very obvious. I doubt a condor would have occurred to anyone who didn't know the Gatch original.
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Posted by Madilayn on 04-03-2010 at 06:21:
No - I would have used Hawk or Falcon for Jason myself.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 04-03-2010 at 06:23:
If I recall, I was aware that Tiny was meant to be an owl, and that the shape of Mark's and Jason's visors resembled some kind of birds of prey, but I don't think I ever got further than that.
Posted by MrVampire on 04-03-2010 at 09:51:
I use to think Jason was a Hawk back in the day.
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Posted by green on 04-03-2010 at 09:59:
I kinda got Mark was an Eagle, but I thought that Jason was a Falcon or a Hawk.
We don't have Swallows here (not that I'm aware of) so I could never work out what Keyop was supposed to be...
For some reason the best I could come up with was Hummingbird....
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Posted by MrVampire on 04-03-2010 at 11:06:
Keyop looks like one of those green ducks.
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-03-2010 at 11:37:
And now: where did the idea that Jason/Joe carries poisoned shuriken come from?
I don't remember any references in Gatch to poison on the darts.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 04-03-2010 at 14:34:
James will know for sure, of course, but I think the idea of poison is pretty clear just frmo the way the goons keel over from being hit with a single feather. After all, if they were just pointed tips, it would take a heck of a lot of them to kill a person.
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Posted by Madilayn on 04-03-2010 at 15:06:
And I believe that traditionally Shuriken were poisoned as well.
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Posted by gatchamarie on 04-03-2010 at 19:41:
I also believe that shuriken used by ninjas were sometimes poisoned and sometimes not ... at least from what I can recall seeing in other films and anime. I also think that, in the case of non-poisonous shuriken, it is most important at what vital part of a body it is thrown so as to provoke a lethal injury.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 04-03-2010 at 22:50:
I agree -I don't think any mention of poison is ever made in the series and that it's likely all fanon, based on the fact that Galactor goons hit with even one of Joe's shuriken seem to drop too quickly for it to be solely due to a piercing injury. Then again, a mere swipe from Ken's boomerang seems to kill them pretty quickly too!
The "poison" assumption has always seemed logical to me though. If I used shuriken, I'd put poison in them!
Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 04-03-2010 at 23:16:
I'll have to pay attention next time I watch some eps, but I think that the darts hit an artery or some other vital area whenever someone definitely dies.
The show wasn't very graphic when people died. But you knew that they died.
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Posted by Becky Rock on 04-03-2010 at 23:44:
I think a lot of us just took the designations from Gatch and applied them to BotP.
There are fics that have Jason as the Hawk and Princess as the Dove. I just think its personal preference.
In many of my BotP fics, I use both the call signs of G-1 through G-5 and the bird designations. I always hated the team using their first names over their bracelets.
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Posted by clouddancer on 05-03-2010 at 01:52:
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Now that I agree with completely. In fact I don't have them call each other by first name any time they are in full UNIFORM, not just over their bracelets. Although there are a few times they will use their names when they are sure they are alone and then when the helmet is removed. Otherwise they maintain formality.
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Posted by clouddancer on 05-03-2010 at 02:02:
BTW: since watching Gatch I had/have converted G2's bird designation to Condor in my stories. But I had always thought of him as an Osprey - a large "dark" winged bird with a larger wingspan than most Hawks I knew. Or a vulture with its wingspan even larger than the eagle which I which I always imagined Jason's to be since he was taller than Mark.
I knew Mark was an Eagle, Princess was a Swan, Tiny was an owl and Keyop was the swallow. Although Keyop's bird designation changed to Merlin after his disappearance (public death announcement) and then return.
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Posted by WadeInLincoln on 15-03-2010 at 15:02:
RE: BotP Question
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Forgive the new guy here..... these books you speak of (Ennien & Hofius), what are they? I tried looking on the Gatchaman Goods Page for them but only found some OVA novels.
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Posted by Springie on 15-03-2010 at 15:13:
Correct me if I'm wrong, guys...but Ennien is another fanfic writer...
and Jason Holfius wrote a book about "Battle of the Planets"...I have a copy...let's see if I can find a link...
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Posted by Springie on 15-03-2010 at 15:16:
Holfius' Book
I highly recommend it!
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