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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 23-09-2009 at 01:01:
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How many 'North Pole' bases have been destroyed by the SNT? Does Galactor rebuild the same base every time?
In Episode 65, Dr. Nambu says that Galactor must have brought the Bem on their spaceship. When did he find out Galactor had an extraterrestrial connection? (Okay, people, write your ficcies!)
How did Joe's friend, Alan, learn the Condor killed his fiancee? Joe did not see the face of the Devilstar he killed, so he would only recognize the young woman in Alan's photo as the woman he helped out of a burning car. (Another fic!)
Where does Katse hide his costume when he's in disguise?
What's the Galactor symbol supposed to be? A stylized cat, or a devil?
Archaeologists must hate Galactor for putting their bases under ruins. Talk about compromising the site.
Is Jun's hair supposed to be greenish, or did the animators use a different ink formula to represent a specific texture of hair?
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Posted by Cain Highwind on 24-09-2009 at 07:24:
About that last one, I would guess the latter because I remember watching (listening to) a commentary from Batman TAS and Timm said that because they of the lack available colors during animation that they usually used a dark blue for batman and a dark green for robin.
Posted by lborgia88 on 24-09-2009 at 14:43:
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I don't think they'd rebuild in an exact location they'd used before. I've always assumed they like to use arctic or antarctic locations because there's hardly anyone there and their bases are less likely to be detected (and maybe bleak, snowy, tree-less locations can be drawn faster by the animators too)
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I've heard that there was some mention, maybe in some sort of pre-production notes at Tatsunoko, that the technology behind the Team's birdstyles was given to Dr. Nambu by benevolent aliens. Galactor did have that scorpion mecha on the moon in ep. 9 -maybe Dr. Nambu is aware there are aliens out there in space, and that one might have come near enough to Earth to get grabbed by Galactor.
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Actually, I have a fic-in-the-works that will offer one possible answer to this question!
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I have no idea, but I suspect the answer is somehow related to the question of how Joe can hide tons of shuriken and/or his gun in the outer thigh of his jeans (one that has always puzzled me).
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Maybe a bit of both? I think all cats, including mine, are evil at heart.
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Great, now I'm imagining an Indiana Jones/Gatchaman crossover fic...
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I believe it is supposed to be green -Tatsunokofan will know for sure. It seems to me, too, that her hair is even more green in Gatchaman II and Gatchaman F.
Posted by tatsunokofan on 24-09-2009 at 16:17:
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In the first series, four bases. The first was in episode #14 (Ice Kandar), then again in episode #18 (The Whale Submarines), episode #54 (Kanikiller), and lastly in episode #64 (Blizzarder), and episode #100 (Which was probably located more toward the North Sea than the North Pole).
I'd have to do more checking for the second and third series, but the only one that immediately comes to mind is in Gatchaman II #23 (Ken's childhood teacher). Gatchaman Fighter #33 took place in the North Sea, and Gatchaman Fighter #'s 36 and 39 took place at I.S.O. bases located at the North Pole, but Gallactor did not have bases there in those episodes.
There were other episodes where the action took place in snowy climates, which might be why you would think that there are more than there really are, but those stories took place in locations other than the North Pole.
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Actually, that came from an article in the first volume of the "Fantastic TV Collection" series, where SF Consultant Rei Kozumi was talking about working with Tatsunoko on the series. He commented that he was greatly bothered by the technology required to allow for the transformations of the Ninja Team's vehicles and uniforms. Simply put, it was far beyond anything else that was to se seen in the series.
He went on to say that, to explain this inconsistency, they came up with the idea that aliens that were against what X was doing on Earth had provided Nambu with the transformation technology. The idea never appeared in the series Planning Establishment or in the series itself (Though it is touched upon indirectly at the end of the OAVs), but that was the explanation the staff came up with at the time.
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Of course, we see that mecha being sent to the moon from Earth. It's not something that was already up there.
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I'd say its green and chalk it up to being yet another wacky anime hair color. If Tatsunoko had wanted it to be a different color, they could have done so easily enough. We know from all of the other characters that appeared in the series that they had a wide enough color palette that they could have made her hair any color they chose, and they chose green. I wouldn't be so arrogant as to assume that the green was being used to represent anything other than green.
James
Posted by Transmute Jun on 24-09-2009 at 18:54:
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Katse hides his constume in the same place that the KNT hide their Birdstyles when they're wrapped up as mummies... And where they hide the Birdstyles when they're in the goon outfits.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 24-09-2009 at 21:37:
They all have magical powers....
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Posted by Springie on 24-09-2009 at 22:31:
Hammerspace! I remember a conversation like this from way back...that's when I first heard about "hammerspace"
hammerspace link
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-09-2009 at 00:32:
About the benevolent aliens: Luci Christian and Kim Prause, in an episode commentary, joked that Nambu was an alien, since he knew EVERYTHING. They even dubbed him the 'God Nambu' as another joke.
Since my AU establishes him as human, someone else will have to do the 'Nambu is an alien' storyline. You can borrow the IF I started.
Of course, nothing says that one of his many colleagues can't turn out to be an alien.
Or that he's such a damned genius he could figure it out himself.
I was curious about Jun's hair because there aren't any wacky hair colors on the show. The Devilstars had colorful wigs.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 25-09-2009 at 00:38:
I have heard of artists using that shade of green to represent black. Also black paint can have "green" hues to it depending on the way its made. Colour tones can break down over time, and black often looks more green when it ages. (Some of paintings have completely changed colour over time, vibrant colours break down due to UV light. Especially some shades of blue from using lead paint.) Things like that...
Well thats my two cents worth!
(Why can I never find the smilie I'm after...sigh!)
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Posted by UnpublishedWriter on 25-09-2009 at 00:46:
Jun's hair sometimes reminded me of the color of my (US Navy) military-issue black socks after a few washings. That's why I wondered if the animators were using another formulation for black on Jun's hair.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 25-09-2009 at 01:16:
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While that may be true with paintings, it has no bearing on a film print. They are two different things, and what applies to one does not apply to the other. That would be like saying that, because silverware will tarnish over time, a photograph of silverware will also tarnish. Besides, if the film had a problem, it would most likely result in a pink hue over everything, not just a black color used for Jun's hair changing to green. That would also not explain why no one else with black hair in the show has green hair. So, simply put, her hair is green, not another color that has altered over time.
James
Posted by Ebonyswanne on 25-09-2009 at 02:25:
While I agree with filming in what you're saying James, but isn't Cartoon/early anime produced differently bcause its hand drawn rather than live actors? Just wondering about the different mediums used on film over time.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 25-09-2009 at 03:50:
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Yes, anime at the time Gatchaman was produced was hand-drawn, traced, and painted. By the time of Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter, it was still hand drawn, but it used an electronic process similar to photocopy machines to transfer it to the cels. The cels were then hand painted. These days, the images are a combination of hand drawn (Usually with the people) and computer drawn (Usually with mechanical objects, vehicles, buildings, and the like). The hand drawn images are then scanned into a computer and all the coloring and compositing with the background are done electronically before being "printed" only the film. Since most of the work is done in a computer, that is why (With very rare exceptions) you don't find cels for current anime programs.
James
Posted by Ebonyswanne on 25-09-2009 at 09:29:
So techniqually speaking the hand painted cels could change in tone or intensity over time depending on the paint used and dyes.
Modern day anime is another kettle of fish.
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 25-09-2009 at 10:21:
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Yes they technically could, but I do want to reiterate that this would have no effect of the films made of those cels.
As someone who has a selection of cels from Gatchaman, I can tell you that the colors of the paints they used are still as bright and vibrant as they were in the 1970s. On the other hand, the inkwork done when tracing the original pencil drawings to acetate has faded on some cels. Not on all of them, mind you, but it has happened on some.
James
Posted by Becky Rock on 26-09-2009 at 15:33:
The first time my son and I watched the final episode of the OAV, we not only had the impression transmutation and the birdstyles had come from a bird-like alien, but that the Phoenix was in fact a living entity that took the shape of the ship when it wasn't needed in its fiery form. Keep in mind, neither of us had seen the original Gatchaman at this point and I had only read Wendy's Out of the Shadows to even know Joe was captured, tortured and believed dead.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 27-09-2009 at 01:30:
Interesting perceptions! I'd never thought what it would have been like to have seen the OAV before the original series. I didn't see the OAV until shortly after I'd watched the whole first series of the original Gatchaman, and I found the different appearances of the characters (and nearly everything else) very jarring.
Posted by amethyst on 27-09-2009 at 01:41:
Back to the hair color for a minute. Many natural ash browns or black hair colors can have a green or even blue appearance. The best way to convey this would be through a dark green color or mixing dark green with dark brown or black depending on the intensity desired. Is it possible that this was the desired effect?
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 27-09-2009 at 04:09:
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Or maybe it's green. Why does it have to be anything more than that? Is it really that big a deal?
James
Posted by amethyst on 27-09-2009 at 04:40:
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Nothing's wrong with it. I was just trying to make the argument that green hair could be naturally occurring, and not just limited to anime or color treated hair (although it does occur quite often unintentionally with the latter, and sometimes intentionally). Is it a big deal, not at all, but then again, I once died my hair purple and my daughter currently has faded purple streaks.
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