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Posted by Askura on 08-01-2009 at 22:16:
...she did not... did she?
Did Eagle riders get this bit right?
Did Pandora throw out the fact that Joe was a cyborg to the rest of the team in casual conversation, after he tried to hide it for so long?
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-01-2009 at 22:33:
Yep.
That's pretty much it. To her credit, you can make a strong case that she didn't realize that he was hiding it.
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Posted by lborgia88 on 09-01-2009 at 00:22:
Yeah, and a case can also be made that there were some pretty big hints along the way that Nambu and the rest of the team should have paid more attention to -he was impervious to explosions, fire-resistant, could channel high electrical current through his body without harm, could tear a tank apart with his hands...
Posted by shamrokchick on 09-01-2009 at 02:31:
I would say those are really big hints!
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Posted by clouddancer on 09-01-2009 at 02:38:
And the Science Ninja's are meant to be good at noticing the tiniest little details .... maybe that was their problem, they only notice the little details and so cannot see the big ones.
Kind of like seeing the forest for the trees or is that the trees for the forest.
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Posted by shamrokchick on 09-01-2009 at 02:46:
Seeing the forest through the trees
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Posted by Hinotori on 09-01-2009 at 20:02:
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I think it was more like blind faith...They were so happy to have Joe back that all the little inconsistencies were overlooked. Ok, so I don't think most people overlook about a million volts of electricity going through someone's body and they not only survive it but also have nary a scratch, but you know what I mean!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 10-01-2009 at 00:38:
Hi all!
Don't forget, most of Joe's cyborg heroics were done when he was away from the rest of the Ninja Team, so they weren't there to actually witness the more obvious moments. There was certainly evidence of what had happened, such as Joe's burned gloves when he took the electrical charge through his body, but nothing to conclusively point to his being a cyborg.
You have to realize that, at the time those episodes were first airing, the audience did not know that Joe was a cyborg. That detail wasn't revealed to viewers until Gatchaman II #24 aired. Joe's strange abilities were all part of a mystery meant to draw in the viewers, and if they had the Ninja Team demanding answers to questions like, "Gee, Joe, why didn't that electricity fry you to a cinder?," it would have ruined the mystery.
If anyone on the Ninja Team is guilty of overlooking the obvious, it would have to be Jun. In Gatchaman II #16, she's there when Joe destroys the gigantic tank, and doesn't follow up on it.
Actually, looking at the planning for the series, Jun wasn't intended to drop the ball like that. In their outline for the progression of events in the series, they intended for the following to occur:
"Meanwhile, Gatchaman frequently harbors suspicions about Joe's wonderous actions. (Acting as if he wasn't a member of the Ninja Team)
Along with the viewers, they'll wonder if this is Joe? At the height of interest, Jun will accidentally see through to Joe's true self.
Though Jun has seen Joe's true self, she doesn't tell Ken or anyone else, she instead helps him from the shadows."
This situation wouldn't have lasted long, as soon afterwards, Dr. Raphael was supposed to reveal that Joe was a cyborg, and, "Joe's sorrow is set aside."
So, the story in episode #16 was likely intended to be the one where Jun discovered Joe's secret, but that idea was dropped for whatever reason. Perhaps it was a result of Tatsunoko receiving word that Fuji TV wanted to extend the run of the series, but I don't know for certain.
James
Posted by Springie on 10-01-2009 at 01:02:
Oh wow! Thanks for that info, James! That could have been really interesting...I would have liked to see Jun helping him "from the shadows" like that!
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Posted by clouddancer on 10-01-2009 at 01:19:
Thank you for that snippet of information James.
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Posted by Xephon0930 on 17-04-2009 at 16:52:
Oh no!!!! Please do not bring Eagle Riders into this!!!!!
That's like mentioning Jar Jar Binks in the Star Wars community.Let's not go there!!!! 
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 17-04-2009 at 19:09:
I take it then that you're not a regular visitor to my Eagle Riders Episode Guide, Xephon?
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Posted by lborgia88 on 17-04-2009 at 20:18:
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I see where you're coming from, but in spite of all its... misquided changes to Gatchaman II and Gatchaman Fighter, Eagle Riders has given me a chance to at least see many episodes from the second half of Gatch II (as well as some Gatch F) that I doubt I would have yet visually experienced otherwise, as I'm currently not prepared to pay for the complete, all-Japanese versions. So, Eagle Riders does have some value in my eyes, and it has sort of grown on me too, in a campy, corny kind of way.
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I agree LB, until or unless they sub or dub Gatch II and Fighter, I will not be buying either series. So Eagle Riders is the only way I will get to watch the eps.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 18-04-2009 at 11:53:
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Especially Ken...was he just rusty from having time off...
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