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Posted by amyltrer on 07-06-2008 at 11:30:

School...Yck!

Not a very Gatchy subject, I know. I'm in my last highschool year and I've applied for an international scolarship.

Since the East European former communist countries have an ancient school catalogue I'd like to know how education works in West. Do they lay weight on lab works and tutorial classes more than on theoretical courses? How does a schedule look like? How many classes per day?
Here it's 5-6 hours at school depending on the schedule.

I'd also like to know what West Students learn during objects like Math, Chemistry, and Physics.

Anyway this is how my XII degree Math book looks like:

 

 

Are the Occidental student's ones any (more) different? How?

Thanks !!!

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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 07-06-2008 at 11:48:

It been so long since I've been in school....from what my nieces and nephews say its a mix and it depends on the school. Which country are you looking at going to?

You lost me on the first math problem... Nerd

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Posted by lborgia88 on 07-06-2008 at 12:43:

I graduated from high school in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1988. Your textbook there looks like integral calculus. In my last year of high school, grade 12, we only just touched on the basics of calculus -really simple derivations. I didn't really do calculus until my first semester of university, and didn't do integral calculus until my second semester.

You got me curious, so I looked up my former high school. It looks like they teach calculus now in grade 12. High school in Nova Scotia lasts three years, grades 10, 11, and 12.

http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/mathematics/index.htm

Here's what my high school is teaching in science these days. It's about what I remember learning, except they didn't offer "Geology" or "Oceans" in my day, just biology, chemistry and physics.

http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/science/index.htm


Posted by Ebonyswanne on 07-06-2008 at 13:13:

YJ's in accounting, she'd know about it...

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Posted by Springie on 07-06-2008 at 17:29:

ACK! All of those letters and numbers...feeling...faint....Faint

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Posted by stardust on 07-06-2008 at 18:31:

Ow that textbook made my brain hur!

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Posted by clouddancer on 07-06-2008 at 18:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Springie
ACK! All of those letters and numbers...feeling...faint....Faint


Glad I am not the only one who is feeling that way.
Now I know why I did not do grade 13 math.

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Posted by amyltrer on 07-06-2008 at 19:04:

quote:
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne
It been so long since I've been in school....from what my nieces and nephews say its a mix and it depends on the school. Which country are you looking at going to?
Nerd


That depends by your options, the results you get at the preliminarily exams and the skills you have in the country of interest's language. The best students got scholarships at Cambridge and Oxford. I am dreaming at scholarship in molecular biology, which University of Berlin has the best reputation! The preliminary exams are at Math, Chem and Bio. I also heard the students from Occident have a whole different learning syllabus from Eastern european countries. I hope I won't be forced to start from zero!

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Posted by amyltrer on 07-06-2008 at 19:16:

quote:
Originally posted by lborgia88
I graduated from high school in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1988. Your textbook there looks like integral calculus. In my last year of high school, grade 12, we only just touched on the basics of calculus -really simple derivations. I didn't really do calculus until my first semester of university, and didn't do integral calculus until my second semester.

You got me curious, so I looked up my former high school. It looks like they teach calculus now in grade 12. High school in Nova Scotia lasts three years, grades 10, 11, and 12.

http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/mathematics/index.htm

Here's what my high school is teaching in science these days. It's about what I remember learning, except they didn't offer "Geology" or "Oceans" in my day, just biology, chemistry and physics.

http://www.cpa.ednet.ns.ca/science/index.htm


Thank you very much, LB! Sailorchibi So far the syllabus is very much like my own!

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Posted by lborgia88 on 07-06-2008 at 21:21:

quote:
Originally posted by amyltrer


Thank you very much, LB! Sailorchibi So far the syllabus is very much like my own!


Glad I could help!


Posted by Transmute Jun on 07-06-2008 at 23:26:

I don't know about European schools, but that looks to be about the level of calculus I covered during my last year of high school. Of course, when I went to undergrad, not everyone had had the same level of calculus, so we covered all of that again in first year. The Basic (i.e. not honors/theoretical) first year Calculus course at a Canadian/American university would cover that stuff.

(And FTR, Ebony, even as an accountant, I NEVER do calculus. At least, not since I left grad school.)

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Posted by Metaliant on 08-06-2008 at 03:11:

The problem with the British education system is that they can't decide with courses they want kids to take for example, you got GCEs, GCSE (which I have got), NVQ, and many more.

Also, they keep changing the level of difficulty for the kids, because of the damm leagues they have.

It really wasn't like this when I was at school.

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Posted by lborgia88 on 08-06-2008 at 04:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Transmute Jun
I don't know about European schools, but that looks to be about the level of calculus I covered during my last year of high school. Of course, when I went to undergrad, not everyone had had the same level of calculus, so we covered all of that again in first year. The Basic (i.e. not honors/theoretical) first year Calculus course at a Canadian/American university would cover that stuff.

(And FTR, Ebony, even as an accountant, I NEVER do calculus. At least, not since I left grad school.)


Did you do Ontario's grade 13, TJ? I remember at McGill, all the Ontario students had done grade 13, and they definitely had a leg up where the maths and sciences were concerned. But, they didn't really get any credit for it, unlike Quebec's CEGEP students, who automatically bypassed all the first year science classes and were put right into the second year program.


Completely irrelevant piece of trivia:

This guy, Cameron Mathison, sat in the row in front of me, in my freshman Physics class at McGill in the fall of 1988. I thought he was gorgeous but was far too shy to say a word to him. Looks like he made about as much use of the Physics class as I did though, in the end.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558950/


Posted by amyltrer on 08-06-2008 at 08:05:

quote:
Originally posted by lborgia88

This guy, Cameron Mathison, sat in the row in front of me, in my freshman Physics class at McGill in the fall of 1988. I thought he was gorgeous but was far too shy to say a word to him. Looks like he made about as much use of the Physics class as I did though, in the end.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0558950/


Wow, he might not have used his Physics but he definitely uses his physique! You've been classmate with him and you've lost the opportunity, LB? Pity!

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Posted by Springie on 08-06-2008 at 11:50:

Faint He's so hot...I'll bet you didn't remember a thing from that class...he's quite a distraction!

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Posted by lborgia88 on 08-06-2008 at 14:09:

Back then, he had longer, shaggier hair and, fashion-wise, dressed "early grunge," but every time he turned sideways, I'd be admiring his profile.

I really don't remember too much from that class! But, that's mostly because about a year later, I switched majors from Chemistry to History and ceased to make any use of my science classes.

I still have the textbook, though. I can never seem to get rid of any books.


Posted by Ebonyswanne on 08-06-2008 at 14:28:

OK I popped into this thread...and now I'm lost can someone give me directions???

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-06-2008 at 14:54:

quote:
Originally posted by lborgia88
Did you do Ontario's grade 13, TJ? I remember at McGill, all the Ontario students had done grade 13, and they definitely had a leg up where the maths and sciences were concerned. But, they didn't really get any credit for it, unlike Quebec's CEGEP students, who automatically bypassed all the first year science classes and were put right into the second year program.


Yes. I was actually around the first time they seriously started trying to get rid of grade 13, and I ended up doing an accelerated program where I did grades 9-13 in four years. Actually, what ended up happening was that I did grades 9-12 in three years, and then had a proper grade 13 year. So yes, I'm talking about my grade 13 calculus class.

Fortunately, at Queen's, we didn't have any of those elitist Quebequois stereotypes. Wink

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Posted by Transmute Jun on 08-06-2008 at 14:56:

quote:
Originally posted by lborgia88
Back then, he had longer, shaggier hair and, fashion-wise, dressed "early grunge," but every time he turned sideways, I'd be admiring his profile.

I really don't remember too much from that class! But, that's mostly because about a year later, I switched majors from Chemistry to History and ceased to make any use of my science classes.

I still have the textbook, though. I can never seem to get rid of any books.


I hear you, LB! I still have my undergrad economics notes. That prof was so good... one of the best teachers I've ever had! And the notes are so clear... I hate to get rid of them! I mean, suppose I run for political office someday and need to explain an economic concept? ROFL 2

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Posted by Metaliant on 08-06-2008 at 19:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Ebonyswanne
OK I popped into this thread...and now I'm lost can someone give me directions???


Take the first one on the left and then right and right again and then left and then go past that thread and then right, right and then left, right left and left again and there you will be.

If you are still lost then just use the Sat Nav in your car.

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