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Posted by Firebird on 31-01-2008 at 18:01:
Egobossler
Amy's favourite topic I know.
What were his good traits if any? We have read his past but was there a softer side to him?
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Posted by amyltrer on 31-01-2008 at 20:23:
FB, to begin with, everybody has it's good traits. Egobossler was undoubtedly a good leader. And not from the brilliant strategist perspective only. Note his men were loyal to him. He cared for them. You didn't see this at Katse or Gelsadra.
Then there was his relationship with his mother. From Daniela's translations I perceived him as a caring and tender son towards her. His actions of vengeance towards his father ( who was probably the worst parent in the whole Gatchaman series, with Red Impulse a close second, of course) and his half-brother are justified to me.
It's said in the ep 14 that despite he asks a lot from his men(obedience,submission children training at a young age) they never complained and they were happy. Perhaps, being a servant, he know the dificulties of dealing with poverty.
In ep. 27 he says something about having
family, although it's never given any detail about it in the show.
I think he must have a softer side behind his cold appearance. It's just the showmakers didn't wanted to go into detail.
OK, I know there are a lot of reason for you to hate him. He started the war and he was responsable for all that destruction and the death of countless people. And he fought the Eagle.
I's fanfic after all. You don't have to stick to the cannon.l Give him a softer side if you feel that way!
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 31-01-2008 at 22:19:
I figured I should point out that Egobossler's references to his "Family" are not referring to any sort of blood relatives. It is a reference to the "Egobossler Family," which is akin to a "Mafia Family."
Of course Egobossler has good traits. Everyone does. Heck, even Adolf Hitler played with his dog. As Amy pointed out, he was very good to his troops, and many of them repaid this with devout loyalty. He also didn't spend all his days plotting ways to take over the world, as evidenced by his hobbies, like skeet shooting and playing poker.
But that didn't stop him from being a very ruthless and driven character. Ruthless in that he would do anything to get power and keep it, even to the point of killing anyone who might be able to expose his fraudulant claim to his title, be it his personal bodyguards, old family servants, or even a close friend and his family. Driven in that his lust for power was, in the end, more important to him than the well being of his own people. Seriously, these people lost their homeland to his dreams of world conquest, and were forced to go into hiding in an underground city built under frozen wastes, just so they could try to do it all over again!
Let's also not forget that this is the man who killed Director Nambu. This act might be understandable, given that they were enemies, but can he really be forgiven for desecrating Nambu's grave by planting an explosive on it? To me, that was crossing the line.
But yeah, he did have good traits, even if they weren't the focus of what we saw. He was the villain, after all.
James
Posted by Firebird on 01-02-2008 at 05:24:
Amy I knew you would find good traits on him just wanted to see what else could be found. I try to think of him as a complex character and I dont really hate him just dont know him as well as the others.
It was from looking at the detail James provided that got me thinking of this.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 01-02-2008 at 09:11:
Fb I love to write about him because he is a mixture, and he's easy to make complex...
OK I could be bias or wrong but this is how I look at him.
Intelligent- he leads an army and he is very good with strategy.He also gathers information about past leaders of Galactor, but the benefits for him out weight the failure of the past.
Shrewd- a part of being a brilliant strategist he makes alliances to benefit his cause.Ie Galactor.
A Leader- in regards to his men yes, he looks out for them, but when they discover he lied to them about who he really is it undermines him.Ambition is his drive, why else would he a line himself with Galactor, he wants power and he sees that they can give it to him, and he can defeat the ghosts that haunt him...
Vindictive-towards his enemies, if you have done him an offense watch out, or if they are an enemy to his ally, in this he has loyalty.
Cultured- he likes society and to be recognised for his rank, red wine and Opera.He wants a lover, but he is a bit clueless in that area. He is also a very good swordsman...
I take an interest in him FB because in my series he is the main Villain. I have put him in few fics already...
Anyway thats my Interpretation of him.
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Posted by amyltrer on 01-02-2008 at 09:43:
Yes, it was a pity they have shown so little from his personal life. Mose of the scenes where he appears are either whith him aboard a mecha trying to destroy whatever city/ISO base or reporting Sosai a failure.
Ok desecratind Nambu's funeral was a little mean from him, but maybe he did it because he hated the doctor very much. I lost the count of how many of his plans Nambu and the Gatchaman had foiled.
Egobossler does a redeming act (at least in my opinion) when he takes his men and go inside the pyramide tho stand up Z. Gatchaman would have no chance to get close of the alien without his intervention. Ok, he had his share of fault for having being reached this point, but Egobossler never wanted to destroy the world. Only to rule it.
In ep 46 when he's still on the ship he thinks back of his mother. Any idea of what does he says then, James?Thank you.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 01-02-2008 at 09:55:
Amy i don't think he was out to destroy the world either, he wanted more power...losing power hurt him, he was a changed man when his mother died at the hands of his father. It doesn't make how he get revenge right though...two wrongs don't make a right. He could have gone about it differently.
He became bitter when she died, and i feel it ate away at him, maybe going into the pyramid to confront Leader Z was his way of realizing he was on the wrong path...and his goals were actually being undermined by Z'ds false promises.
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Posted by amyltrer on 01-02-2008 at 10:05:
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ITA! So now he needs a sweetheart to help him become a better person. Everybody deserves a second chance!
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 01-02-2008 at 10:06:
Amy and I will compile some character information on him together...we feel it is needed, we have both done a few fics on him now... he is the main villain in most of our stories...
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Posted by amyltrer on 01-02-2008 at 10:16:
Yupeee. Amy 
to type!
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 01-02-2008 at 11:26:
Go Amy send me what you have and we'll take it from there!
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Posted by Firebird on 01-02-2008 at 20:39:
hey Amy - ego fics!
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Posted by amyltrer on 01-02-2008 at 21:16:
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Here:
Clicky!!!
I've posted it on the library and you haven't even read it!
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Posted by Firebird on 02-02-2008 at 05:32:
I get these in my in box and I did enjoy it! I even felt sorry for him, for a brief moment 
I do like the depth you did to this 
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Posted by tatsunokofan on 11-02-2008 at 01:57:
Hi all!
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Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you on this. I've been busy over the last week or so finishing up my submission to this issue of Bird Scramble, the quarterly Gatchaman APA.
Anyway, I'm assuming you meant episode #47, not #46, since there is nothing regarding Egobossler's mother in #46.
During the scene in #47 where they have the flash of Egobossler's mother, Egobossler is telling Governor Z that he does not want to die with the Earth. Instead, he'd like the opportunity to witness the Earth's final moments. This is why Z allows Egobossler and his people inside.
I hope this helps!
James
Posted by amyltrer on 11-02-2008 at 09:01:
Thanks James
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Posted by Dr. Sinc [de Alter] on 24-05-2008 at 09:57:
Well, now here is my very own feel of Count Egobossler. You know, being somewhat an Evil Genius myself, I can't be trully objective, but never mind. Well:
Everybody has good features. No - everybody, even a darkest dark leader has a flash of light in his soul, somewhere deep. I'm one of persons who thinks that good'n'evil are the very basic concepts of the Being, but it never appears in a clear state; it's always a mixture, in certain proportions, of course.
Being ruthless and agressive, Egobossler is no wonder a conqueror of Hitler level; but he feels certain kinship with the Earth, he still thinks about himself as of a citizen of this world. No matter that he've tried to take it over; it's his world anyway, and he fights with diabolically powerful Z for this world. Was it his return to the Light? Or maybe he acted as a caring King who rushes towards the battlefield to save his beloved domain? Who knows; but he's not so spoiled as legendary Sith Lords (forgive me for such a comparison) who leave homeworlds to its fate.
Digging into the psychology, (all hail to Zigmund Fraid ^_^) we can say that Ego had his reasons for such a behaviour. He was trying to take the world over mostly to relieve it from all the injustice and nightmares he suffered as a child; his megalomania developed because of his humilation back at his earliest days, and his life as a Gallactor leader is nothing more but a payback for spoiled childhood, and avenging for mother's death. Of course he's insane; it was his madness that drove him towards this way, the wish of revenge. It's not up to us to judge him, since he's not a normal human; it was said that only God himself could judge madmen, so let it be.
And now is totally non-objectiove POV ^_^ Egobossler is worthy of adorement for certain traits. Even being a Gallactor leader, he's not a capricious playful fools like Gel Sadra and not a ruthless sadist like Katse; he has good manners, he's elegant, a type of man I could love if I could be a girl ^_^ Katse and Gel Sadra both had no much skill; they had their madness and nothing more. Katse's art of impersonation was genetically achieved and in-born, Sadra had no skill at all -_-" And as for Ego - he's a good fighter himself, a swordmaster of a good class. And even revealing his face, he succeeds to maintain the attitude of mysterious Dark Lord, the one I like. Since he's fellow Conqueror of the World, I adore him ^_^
Hmph. That's all, I presume.
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Posted by amyltrer on 24-05-2008 at 11:37:
ITA Sync!!! Soooo, you really never saw Gatch F? Because you have such a good understanding of Ego. Really, people usually see him as a drunken maniac and they're not looking behind his reasons.
Ah and you are right about him being the type of mabn a girl could love....just look at me! He's my favourite baddie ever since I was 10.
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Posted by Dr. Sinc [de Alter] on 24-05-2008 at 12:09:
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[off] You'll be shocked, but I never saw ANY part of the Originals. I saw only G-FORCE, most of the episodes. The info about Gatch F I've found in the Network. But, I've watched a whole lot of other anime series, and being an Evil Genius myself helps me to judge maniacs and schizoids of all kinds ^_^[/off]
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Posted by amyltrer on 24-05-2008 at 12:24:
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Oh, that's OK! I haven't seen it either! Only Eagle Riders! I too digged for info on the Net! It's amazing how much stuff there is about Gatch. And how little is about Ego!
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