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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 27-08-2007 at 15:48:
When dressing, Ladies - Consider what underwear you're wearing
Heh.
Yeah.
I'm on another rant.
This time I'm not pissed off, so I might actually be somewhat coherent ... LOL!
Clothing and fashion have pretty much always been the bane of my existence. I'm not a fashion king, never have been. Give me a pair of Levis and a comfy shirt, and I'm all set thankyouverymuch.
Sure, I do have flashes of femininity and attempt, at times, to make myself look nice for Flash, but I don't tend to pull it off very well. I find alot of current fashion just looks stupid ...
Speaking of - what is with the resurgence of 80's fashion?!?! It sucked back then, and certainly looks as stupid now! I mean, really, slouchy, billowy dresses that are just stretched out T-shirts with calf-high leggings??!!
Legwarmers and heels?
Pant length short enough to be waders?
(okay, I have a 36" inseam, so most pants tend to look like waders on me - except Levis - damn I love Levis jeans!!)
And pant waists that go to the boobs?
Hey, personally, not one for low-rise (although I do own a few pairs, and look damn good in them) but, damn. When my jeans support my boobs BEFORE they've sunk to waist level, something's kinda up.
Capri pants and knee-high boots?!
Okay ... okay ... enough digression, back to topic.
My complaint today is actually underwear.
Yes.
Underwear.
No, I am not talking about those hip-hop teenagers with their jeans around their knees and their entire boxer short showing (uh, it's called UNDERWEAR for a reason, kids - it goes UNDER clothing!!) ... I am talking women here.
Yes.
Chicks.
The apparent "conservative" mob.
What my complaint is ... is their choice of clothing and underwear.
Now this isn't necessarily about pants so tight that you can actually see the lines of a G-String, thereby defeating its purpose of "invisible panty line" - though that does bear mentioning somewhere down the line.
What this is ... is ...
Okay. When you wear white the rule of thumb generally is that you wear a neutral flesh, beige, white, maybe even a really soft baby pink. This becomes especially important when you wear a thin cotton pant/skirt. Or, if you must wear a contrasting colour, wear an attractive style, a boy-short, or something really fun and funky.
Navy blue grannie undies that are being half eaten by your ass are not usually a good option.
I remember back at school. Our Phys-ed teacher (later our guidance councillor) was one guy who always wore white shorts, tight, with contrasting undies. His name was Cornell, we called him Corney - nice bloke tho. Just .. wow ... brave man.
Some footy players I knew used to deliberately wear funky jocks under their white shorts just for fun - one guy, Dean from the Eagles, used to wear a pair of jocks with bright hand prints on each ass cheek ... heh heh ... loved those ones. ..
But that's all in fun and they are guys.
Women ... well (call me sexist, y'all) ... should be a little more, um, thoughtful.
I sit under stairs that are open, you know ... you can see between slats? And, unfortunately, that means that any skirts I can see right up them when the girls come down (shudder) ...
But that's fine ... don't care much about that.
But I get icked when these same girls go up wearing a white skirt or pants, and all I can see is the off-colour underwear shining through them.
Same goes with bra's too (or lack thereof). Don't wear black or patterned under a white cotton top UNLESS you want people to look at your ta-ta's. Certainly don't come and complain to me about such and such copping a look because you worse red and purple flowers under a white cotton blouse.
And, if you are older than 30, and gravity is beginning to take its toll, please remember to flop them into a bra before pulling on your shirt. ESPECIALLY of you go for something less than opaque. Seeing nipples though fabric is bad enough, but too see the almost naked nipples and stretch marks on the boobs of a 60-year old.
Gosh ... Shudder
Underwear really is an important part of wardrobe, ladies. Grey straps on an otherwise white bra really should be well and truly hidden under a shirt. It is not a good idea to wear a spaghetti strap tank with a discoloured strap. I know, I know ...Bras are expensive ... but I tend to save a good one for such things and wear out the aged pieces under my less fashionable shirts ...
So why does this bother me so much? Oh I don't now, really. I'm not a prude by any stretch of the imagination ... I just ... well, I don't necessarily think it's so appropriate in an office. I don't want to see your grannie undees flashing out like beacons through your shirts and pants .. I'd rather suggest you go commando (like I feel all women should if they insist on wearing low-cut jeans. Seeing that thong popping out of your pants is not actually sexy ... Going commando ... <grins> that is! :waggles brows:
Actually keeping them guessing is ...
But - looks like I have to work now.
Disjointed rant because I have no time to edit and am in a rush ... but yeah, that's todays rant
SJ
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 27-08-2007 at 20:09:
Ohhhhhhhhh..... kay.........
These are very strange women who work in your office, SJ!!!! 
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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 27-08-2007 at 20:25:
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Why do men snore when lying on their backs?
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Posted by CricketBeautiful on 27-08-2007 at 21:38:
Well, there's always the school girls, uniform skirts, but no uniform panties, and therefore no panties, on similar staircases. Talk about gross.
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 27-08-2007 at 22:21:
I went to private school in Toronto, and at our school we were required to wear bloomers over our underwear... so yes, uniform panties...
Kind of like the Swan's regulation panties... 
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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 27-08-2007 at 22:25:
Ahhh bloomers ...
In phys-ed, all us girls used to wear them and a t-shirt ..
When we wore netball skirts (yes, it is actually uniform to wear a netball pleasted shirt which is about the same length as Princess' skirt) we were required to wear bloomers (we called them "bummies") ...
Oh wow - that takes me back...
SJ
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Why do men snore when lying on their backs?
Because their balls fall over their butt holes and they vapour lock.
Posted by Transmute Jun on 27-08-2007 at 22:28:
Yeah, ITA.... I had forgotten about those navy blue horrors.... 
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Posted by Madilayn on 28-08-2007 at 00:05:
Oh dear - the dreaded underwear problem. I know where you're comng from SJ!
I actually had a horror discovery quite a few years ago. I used to play Laser Force (you know - internal shoot each other with laser guns?)
Ok - so the field is dark, very low lighting. My best friend and I played in the league, and on game nights used to go straight from work, change into our gear there (usually all black).
We discovered something quite unsettling, that made a big change to what we wore to work on those days.
The entry to the field, and areas of the field itself, had UV lights.
Did you kow that when you wear light coloured undies, under black clothing and go into UV light, that you can see your underwear? Quite clearly.
Once the ladies found out about that, black underwear was very much in vogue for us!
However - my pet hate is the asian girls we seem to have in Brisbane who all seem to want to dress like cheap hookers.
Is quite funny- most of them dress like that, but you can tell the different nationalities from the makeup.
The Philippinas all have the "scrape it off with a knife" makeup, the Chinese don't wear any at all, and the Japanese and Korean girls go for a minimalist look.
Still.....
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 28-08-2007 at 05:19:
I spend all day advising people on how they should use pretty Lingerie and make it look hot! Not slutty...there is a difference...
And then what type of bras and undies go with certain clothing...
SJ reading this makes feel like I'm back at work...
Ebony sighs and picks up a push up bra and puts it back on the shelf with it's matching G-string...stockings etc. smiles at the lady waiting to be fitted for a bra....
By the way a lot of women wear totally the wrong bra...don't think that by getting a size smaller it will make your boobs sit higher...it just looks tacky!
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Posted by Firebird on 28-08-2007 at 10:44:
You know talking about uniform underwear at school reminds me of our school pe kit. Girls were not allowed to wear shorts or trousers we had white polo shirts a red skirt that was about as long as the swans skirt and white undies. Playing netball or anything where you active like that was damn embarassing especially as it was mixed.
Ebony I know what you mean I regular go and get fitted for bras to ensure that I am always wearing the right size.
SJ Maybe you could send you work colleagues Ebony's way for some good advice?
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Posted by SJ_SwanJun on 28-08-2007 at 12:52:
Hey Ebony, question ...
Am I supposed to have boob bulge over a bra?
I got "fitted" by some sheila at La Senza, and she assured me I was a C cup ... I tried it on, wriggled uncomfortably and pointed out the bulge.
She told me that I need to "tuck them in" for it to fit...Apparently you need to get a shoe-horn and squeeze those little blighters in .... I questioned that and was told "I am the bra specialist, okay?"
Mhmmm. So. Okay. I let her "tuck me in" which was somewhat uncomfortable (Oh I had to be shown HOW to put on a bra, apparently) ... And I raised a confused brow asking if the back really needs to sit as high as my shoulder blades (actually it sat on the blade line) and should it really feel like I will pop at any minute.
Apparently yes, that is the way fashion is ... IT is the push-up effect ...
Gudgingly I bought one, and snuck in a few of the sizes I felt were more appropriate.
Sure enough, within five minutes, the ta ta's wanted to come out and play and worked their way over the top (and out the bottom) .. and and .... sigh ...
A wasted $30 for sure.
So what is the secret, girl? Seeing the fitters cant seem to fit, how do I do it?
SJ
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Why do men snore when lying on their backs?
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Posted by CricketBeautiful on 28-08-2007 at 19:45:
Watching period pieces where they wore pushups and showed cleavage, they seem to have a shelf underneath, but the material that goes around and over is either smooth to the breast or looser. So the boob, while definitely visible, is absolutely not poking out.
What I hate is lace. If it's labeled as soft, you just know it'll be itchy. And if it forms part of the cup, it's a magnet for the bits that should be under the solid part.
I'll add a question of my own:
With an underwire, should the it sit flush to the chest wall, or ride out? Should flesh touch flesh, or should fabric be between? The fitters here like it riding out.
One of these days I'm going to make an appointment with the bra specialist one town over who advertises for odd sizes and post-surgery clients. Call it a birthday present.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 29-08-2007 at 08:55:
Period underwear was made to reflect the look that they wanted for dresses of the times, not necessarily to get support for the bust line, that is a modern thing.
The period underwear I have made is mainly corsets, I have made them from traditional patterns and they had the function of shaping you for the gown, your bust has to go some where!
Well when I fit a bra I am NOT allowed to touch her breasts for a start it is considered unprofessional by the company I work for. I agree with them on that.
There should be a cleavage in a push up bra but not a "Double boob" effect.
The underwire should sit flush to the chest, and if you put you ams straight and look in the mirror the underwire should not be under your arm, but sit flush with arm.
Some women need seperation, but if the bust sits very close together than I will get best possible fit and a style that sits the closest to the chest for support.
The back should not ride up, and allow two fingers give on the elastic for your shoulder straps.
Always make sure you bra is fitted to your larger breast...most women have one larger than the other, or just a bit.
Basically if you have to shove your boob into a bra to make it comfortable then it is the wrong style for you or the wrong size.
She should have gotten you another style to see if that way you felt like you were popping out of the cup.
I am a fitting specialist and I even did an exam to become one, but that does not mean that the person I am fitting is always wrong, you know how something feels on you, and That is why I ask them, "How does it feel."
I know when I am fitting a lady what she should wear and it is hard to part knowledge that is a practical thing. But am a fussy bra fitter and I hate it when fitters don't listen to the client...
I hope I helped you at least a bit...If your not happy with the fitting, go and see another fitter. My customers never make appointments and i always have time to fit them properly.
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Posted by Firebird on 29-08-2007 at 11:51:
I always love the way a fitter takes measurements and comes up with a different size than when you measure yourself. This is even when you follow proper guidelines lol
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Posted by Transmute Jun on 29-08-2007 at 13:21:
Wow, Ebony... you're making me feel like I should be getting a fitting!!!!
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Posted by Tengu on 29-08-2007 at 16:43:
mine are too big
And I just wear whats comfy. (rather greay and worn out. (Id make a fine Devil star, wouldnt I?)
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Posted by CricketBeautiful on 29-08-2007 at 19:57:
Yep, comfy is good. If it's not comfy, you look really bad as you twist and turn and pull to make it sit better, regardless of how good you look for the five seconds you can keep your shoulders just right.
Still, if I look too terrible then I'm embarrassed, and that makes me uncomfy, so I go for something in the middle.
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Between stimulus and response there is a space.
In that space is our power to choose our response.
In our response lies our growth and our freedom.
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Posted by Madilayn on 29-08-2007 at 20:33:
Ebony, you're 100% right about period underwear. Actually, in Tudor & Elizabethan times, as well as your corset (which, by the way, was meant to give you a "tube" shape, not a wasp waist) thre was a "shelf" for your breasts.
Well, at least doing medieval reenactment has taught me something!!!
As a DD/E cup, what I hate is how expensive bras are. I'm a 24E and can't find anything under $60.
But what I hate most, is the companies that think that all they have to do to make a larger size bra is add more material! They completely forget that a larger size bust needs more support, therefore the bra has to have more structure, and the straps need to actually be substantial.
I'm a huge fan of Fayreform (which I love) and Goddess (good, but majorly expensive) bras.
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Posted by Ebonyswanne on 29-08-2007 at 23:26:
Go to Bras n things Maddy they have a whole range now for women up to G cup.
It is a tough deal at times with larger fits...some want narrow straps for dresses and tops, but then you take away support...it's hard to win in designs...
I have studied period costume and have tones of books on it and all the Janet Arnold pattern books and I have some museum patterns for gowns sent from Canada...
When I make them for my show dolls I do the pattern as close to how they would have been mad as possible, including underwear
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Posted by Madilayn on 30-08-2007 at 01:03:
Dammit, Ebony! Now I HAVE to meet up with you! I'm a costume bunny myself.
I've tried Bras'n'Things - unfortunately they don't go up to 24. But there is a marvellous shop in Mackay (where mum lives) who has a corsetiere as an owner and I get my stuff through there.
What makes it even harder for me is I also combine big with low slung boobs - so need all the support I can get!
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